September 3, 2010 by Kim in forum Genealogy / History
#539 Kim, 3 September 2010, 16:21
Hi, I'm trying to trace the Osborn side of my family who are originally from Eaton Bray. Although I've been able to trace them through the census information I can't find any records of births/marriages/deaths. I'm interested in 3 Osborns in particular, all born in Eaton Bray:
Thomas Osborn, born 1844, married Emma, surname unknown.
Jesse Osborn, born 1824, married Susannah, possibly Mead
William Osborn, probably born 1780, married Elizabeth, surname unknown.
If anyone can provide any further information on any of these Osborns, particularly dates of birth, or wives surnames, I'd really really appreciate it.
Many thanks, Kim
#541 Tom n Harry, 6 September 2010, 08:34
Hi Kim...Been searching the Osborne family and found a few things...From the Parish Records 1559-1812...Baptism March 10th 1782 William son of Thomas & Elizabeth Osborn...Marriage May 24th 1802 William Osborne to Isabella Taverner both of Eaton Bray...Have some more info to check out and will post later...Are we looking at 3 generations of the Osborne family?
#542 Tom n Harry, 6 September 2010, 17:35
Seen the census records with William married to Elizabeth but cant seem to find a marriage at the moment that would fit the birth of Jesse.I think that Isabella could have been his mother as there is no mother on baptism record.Looking for her death around 1822.
#543 Tom n Harry, 7 September 2010, 06:53
Cant find a death for Isabella around the right time.The only marriages I can find close would be 3rd November 1803 William Osborn to Elizabeth Fleckney at Leighton Buzzard Beds or after Jesse birth William Osborn to Elizabeth Tearle 12th January 1825 at Leighton Buzzard Beds.
#544 Tom n Harry, 7 September 2010, 12:55
Just checked the hard copy of Leighton Buzzard Parish Register and the marriage to Elizabeth Fleckney does say that William Osborn was of Eaton Bray.
#545 Kim, 7 September 2010, 16:15
Excellent, thankyou very much for that info!! Yes, it is 3 generations of the Osborn family, I had Elizabeth Tearle as Jesse's mother, but from what you've found it looks like it could well have been Isabella, with William then marrying Elizabeth Tearle after Jesse was born.
As for the older William Osborn marrying Elizabeth Fleckney, the Fleckney name came up before, so that would definitely fit.
Are the parish records available for anyone to view? I'm putting together a file with birth/marriage/death records etc, so would like to be able to add these to the file, as it seems pretty certain they are the ones i'm looking for.
thankyou so much for your help!
#546 Tom n Harry, 7 September 2010, 17:09
Have emailed Beds Records Office to look at Jesse's baptism to find parents...Parish Records for Beds have been transcribed to book form up until 1812 and are in most Beds libraries or at the records office.After 1812 they are on fiche at the records office available to all.....Am looking at Thomas at the moment but having trouble finding an Emma born in Windsor as it says on census.
#547 Tom n Harry, 7 September 2010, 17:55
Have just received a reply from records office so will have to look somewhere else...
Sorry, but this entry does not occur in the register: I checked film of the original. Unfortunately the Latter Day Saints include information from 'unofficial' sources, and it looks as though this phantom entry is one of them. A proper entry would include the mother's name at the very least.
#548 Kim, 8 September 2010, 08:54
That's a shame! Just to confuse things further I think there are 2 separate William Osborns - the one I originally mentioned born 1780, and then there's another generation between him and Jesse, giving me an additiopnal William Osborn born around 1805.
so I think the oldest William married either Isabella Taverner or Elizabeth Fleckney, and the younger William (father of Jesse) married Elizabeth Tearle.
As for Thomas Osborn marrying Emma from Windsor their children were all born in London, so there's a chance they were married there, though I haven't been able to find any record of it.
#549 Tom n Harry, 8 September 2010, 09:30
Starting again from Thomas.Have you found him on 1871 census?
#550 Kim, 8 September 2010, 09:56
No, can't find him on that one, tried searching using Emma and his oldest children, but can't find them at all in 1871, only in 1881 and 1891.
#551 Tom n Harry, 8 September 2010, 10:12
Found them just after I posted living in St Pancras transcribed as OSBON...Thomas is down as born in Dunstable and Emma from Windsor...Cant work out why we cant find the marriage unless they married after Thomas jnr was born.
#552 Kim, 8 September 2010, 11:27
Cool, thanks for that!
I guess a marriage after Thomas Jnr's birth would make sense - I had thought about requesting a copy of Jesse Osborn's birth certificate to see if Emma's surname is on it, but haven't been able to track down any record of his birth yet either!
#553 Tom n Harry, 8 September 2010, 12:35
Jesse would be too old for a birth cert as no registration was brought in until 1837 but there should be one for Thomas...Got a list from free bmd of all emma's born in Windsor 1846-1847.Might be a case of tracking them all down for marriages.
#554 Kim, 8 September 2010, 13:48
i meant the birth certificate for thomas and Emma's son, confusingly also called Jesse, born in St Pancras in 1872 I believe. I've found a baptism this morning for a likely candidate, although the details aren't quite right, so need to look into that a bit more - if it's the right one I might be able to track down Emma's maiden name. I could have a long job tracking all the Emma's born in Windsor in those years down for marriages!!
#555 Tom n Harry, 9 September 2010, 08:12
Found 37 Emma's registered in Windsor from 1846-1848.Searched all of them for a marriage to a Thomas from 1865-1871 in Islington & Pancras but still nothing.Have all the surnames if you want them.Maybe one of the names might still be in the family.
#556 Tom n Harry, 9 September 2010, 08:45
On the 1891 census there is an Alfred Aldridge down as grandson to Thomas & Emma.Can't work out where he came from at the moment but the Aldridge name was one I searched from Windsor.Could be the one to follow.
#557 Kim, 9 September 2010, 13:37
I've worked out that I've found the right baptism record for Jesse, as the address on it is the same as the address in the 1871 census, so I've sent off for a copy of the birth certificate, which will hopefully confirm Emma's maiden name. It sounds like it may well be Aldridge though - I'd assumed that was the married name of one of Jesse's sisters, but will definitely look into Emma being an Aldridge originally, as it's not that common a name!
I can't find any record of a marriage for thomas osborn at all and I've searced from 1855 to 1870, so i'm wondering if maybe thomas and emma never actually married....
#898 wendy, 13 April 2011, 14:49
I am a descendant from the Osborn family from Eaton Bray If you need any help let me know.
#933 Charlotte Easter, 2 July 2011, 12:33
I have the Jesse family including the marriage of Thomas and Emma all worked out. Jesse was illegitimate son of Hannah, living with grandfather in one census. Do you have an E-mail for Kim?
#1382 Steve Osborne, 25 October 2012, 15:38
I dont know if anyone is still monitoring this thread but any help sorting out the lineage of my grandfather, Alfred Ernest Osborne (he added the 'E' because everybody kept misspelling it so he left it), would be wonderful. My great grandfather Jesse Osborn was born in Eaton Bray in 1801 and married my Great grandmother in 1887! (yes that is right) my grandfather being born in 1889 and Jesse dying the following year. I believe he had been married prevously having 2 children, Martha (1824-1864)and Louisa (1826-1859). It is possible that my GtGtGranddparents were John (b:1783) & Martha (d:24 Nov 1808 in Eaton Bray). If anyone can confirm or refute these facts it would be of enormous help. Thanks
#1383 Tom n Harry, 25 October 2012, 20:08
There is an Alfred Ernest Osborn registered Hackney 1889. Is this your Grandfather?
#1384 Tom n Harry, 25 October 2012, 21:43
Eaton Bray Parish Records 1559-1812.
Marriage March 5th 1791 John Osborn to Martha Miers both of Eaton Bray.
Baptism May 3rd 1801 Jesse son of John & Martha Osborn.
#1385 Tom n Harry, 25 October 2012, 21:46
Found the marriage of Jesse to Esther Cowland reg Hackney 1887.
Can only find Jesse on 1871 Census living alone in Marylebone.
Do you have any other census records for Jesse or Esther.
Can only find Esther in 1891 with Alfred.
#1386 Tom n Harry, 25 October 2012, 21:59
Eaton Bray Parish Records 1559-1812.
Baptisms to John & Martha.
September 25th 1791 Martha.
November 24th 1793 Charlotte.
October 10th 1796 John.
Febuary 17th 1799 Jesse.
May 3rd 1801 Jesse.
September 16th 1804 David.
April 12th 1807 Thomas.
#1387 Tom n Harry, 26 October 2012, 08:20
On the marriage cert for Jesse & Esther 1887 it gives Jesse's father as John who is a Carpenter.
There is a burial record in Eaton Bray September 13th 1810 John Osborn (Carpenter).
#1388 Tom n Harry, 26 October 2012, 09:20
1851 Marylebone , Pensioner 49th Foot.
1861 Marylebone , Pensioner.
1871 Marylebone , Pensioner.
1881 Walthamstow , Pensioner living with Niece Martha who was born Leighton Buzzard Beds 1824.
#1389 Tom n Harry, 26 October 2012, 10:14
1861 has Martha as his daughter.
There is a tree on Ancestry with a marriage to Cath Gough in Northamptonshire 1820 but can't find anything to say it is your Jesse.
Nothing for 1841 as yet.
#1390 Tom n Harry, 26 October 2012, 11:41
Maybe go back another generation.
Baptism May 22nd 1768 John son of Thomas & Elizabeth Osborne.
Marriage October 14th 1765 Thomas Osb(o)urn/-born to Elizabeth Taverner both of Eaton Bray.
#1391 Steve Osborne, 26 October 2012, 22:35
Right, loads of things to go through! 1)The ref to Cath Gough might have been on my tree but the J Osborn turned out to be John so thats gone. 2)Yep thats my grandfather,1891 census he and Esther Osborn are living in Hackney. 1901 census he is a visitor with his grandfather in Walthamstow. 3) I,m on Ancestry but I cannot find the 1851 census for Jesse - any suggestions? It does make sense though as in the 1861 census he is described as a Chelsea Pensioner. 4) In the 1851 census Martha is described as a staymaker the same as in the 1861 census; she is living with her sister Louisa both described as being born in Leighton Buzzard. 5)The records you've found for John & Martha look very compelling I think we can assume that this is correct especially with Jesse's baptism in 1801. I can only assume that the Jesse baptised in 1799 died as a baby, it appears to be a common practise at this time to name the next child the same. I wonder if there is a death registered in the parish records.
Thanks for all your work as anything I had before Jesse wasinformed conjecture.
#1392 Tom n Harry, 27 October 2012, 08:38
Search Jesse ASBORNE 1800 Eaton Bray living Marylebone.
#1393 Tom n Harry, 27 October 2012, 08:48
May 21st 1799 Jesse son of John & Martha Osborn.
January 9th 1805 David son of John & Martha Osborn.
November 24th 1808 Martha Osborn.
Think the Martha is wife of John and not child from 1791.
#1450 Steve Osborne, 14 November 2012, 16:59
Hello again guys.
In the last couple of weeks I've been able to find Jesse's military records. He joined the 49th Foot on 26th Aug 1818 and over the next 25 years he spent 6yrs 8mths in South Africa, 12yrs 2mths in the East Indies and 2yrs 10mths (during the First Opium War) in China. He was medically discharged as a sargeant on 31st Dec 1843 with a liver complaint (which I cant quite read) as unfit for further duty.
Following on from this it appears unlikely that that Martha was his daughter as claimed in the 1861 census but was his niece as stated in the 1881 census.
I'm fairly sure I've found Martha in the 1841 census, as a drapers assistant in London. I've also found a Thomas Osbornof the right age, (d.1856), living in Hockliffe in 1841, married to Susan, and I think this is probably her father (Jesse's brother).
The only other possibility would be John (who I believe died 1878).
I dont know if there would be anything in your parish records that would shed any light on this.
P.S. If it's of any use to your genealogical records I'll Email you a copy of Jesse's military records
#1571 Pauline Elkins, 22 February 2013, 13:45
I am trying to trace a Marjorie Osborn (possible nee Dean) and her husband who ran the Golden Rule in Dagnall. My 93 year old aunt remembers her grandparents, James and Sarah Stayton fostering Marjorie and her sister Rose during the 1930's. Marjorie's husband was in a wheelchair. My aunt thinks they ran the pub during the 1940's and 1950's possibly into the 1960's when he died. He was a cobbler by trade. She thinks he may have come from Eaton Bray as, after his death, Marjorie retired to a bungalow there. I cannot find a marriage or death for Marjorie and my aunt cannot remember his Christian name. If anyone has any knowledge of them, I would appreciate your help.
#1588 Tom n Harry, 28 February 2013, 09:04
Have been asking around for anyone who may know or have known Marjorie but as yet have found nothing.
#1615 Pauline Elkins, 12 March 2013, 23:45
Hi Tom and Harry, Thanks for taking the time to ask around about Marjorie. I do have good news. Thanks in part to this forum and a stroke of luck on my part, I have now traced and spoken to a member of her family. Sometimes a long shot does pay off!.
#2432 Kim, 6 July 2016, 22:42
Bit of a long shot here as I'm finally picking up the family tree again after a very long break!
There's a post above from Charlotte regarding the Jesse family. If you do see this post it would be great if you could reply with more info. I think I have the Thomas and Emma marriage solved, but would love to get the Osborn line figured out!
#3457 James Osborn, 4 November 2016, 00:01
Im a Osborn from Islington, my great grandad William come from Islington born in the late 1800s if u have anything matching that. I could fill the rest in for you if that's what you are looking for.
#3459 Kim, 12 November 2016, 04:32
My great great grandfather Jesse Amos Osborn was born in St Pancras in 1872, so they may be connected. His parents were Thomas Osborn and Emma Allen (Thomas born in Eaton Bray).
Jesse Amos married Eliza Duggin and my great grandfather Jesse Augustus Osborn was then born in 1894 in Poplar.
Does any of that tie up with what you have? I don't have a William so I'm not sure if there's a connection.
#3562 deborah payne, 8 March 2019, 18:45
Hi, I am looking for anyinformation on an Isborn Society in hackney. My Great Grandfather is John Bride Osborn who lived in Hackney, London can anyone help ? Thanks Deborah Payne
#3584 Sue osborn, 25 April 2019, 16:06
Marjorie osborn, golden rule public house, dagnall. Not sure if Pauline wants any further detail on Marjorie who married Alfred osborn but I have traced the Osborn’s back 5 generations having married into the family. Please message if you want any info
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