Horton/Day

Has anyone any information on either of these families, My grandad was Alfred Horton, I do know they were a large family in Eaton Bray and I do know there is a family crypt in Edlesborough Church and information would be great, I do remember the Thorn famil and the Sharratts

1901 census address Wesleyan Chapel.......Walter Horton,H,36,Studham Herts...Louisa Horton,W,30,Eaton Bray Beds...Archie Horton,son,8,Eaton Bray Beds...Alfred Horton,son,5,Eaton Bray Beds...Doris Horton,daughter,3,Eaton Bray Beds...Gertrude Bird,sister in law,19,Northall Bucks.......Marriage for Walter Horton to Louisa Bird reg Leighton Buzzard September 1891 vol 3b page 745...Marriage for Alfred Horton to Edith Day reg Luton December 1917 vol 3b page 967.......At the moment we can trace Walter back to 1871 but are having problems finding Ediths family in Eaton Bray.

Alfred Bird Horton born 03/08/1895 reg Leighton Buzzard September 1895 vol 3b page 396.

Found Horton side back to 1841 census and some baptisms before that but still dont know which Edith Day to follow.Found 2 in Luton and others around Bedfordshire????

thanks for info I think My Nan Day came from Luton I do know her dad was a builder in Luton and id run for Mayor, My Grandad Horton I believe was related to the Birds of Eaton Bray as I have a watch which belonged to Annie Bird andy info please, my frandfathers name was alfred Bird Horton

thanks for the info this is definately my family, nan and grandad did marry in luton, In the Horton family there was another daughter Connie who went to America as a baby because I think Mum became ill and I do no ended up in Arlsley mental insituition, of course this was never talked about, but I do remember my Nan and Grandad visiting her

1901 census...36 Boyle St Luton Beds...George Day,h,26,Bricklayers Labourer,Cookernol Herts...Lizzie Day,w,26,Straw Hat Machinest,Stopsley Beds...William Day,son,7,Mangrove Herts...Edith Day,daughter,5,Luton Beds...Earnest Day,son,3,Luton Beds...Charles Day,son,1,Luton Beds...

1891 Census, Church Farm Edlesborough... Elizabeth Horton, 49, Head, Widow, Studham... Walter Horton, 26, step-son, Studham... Ada Alice Horton, 19, daughter, Studham... Annie Horton, 16, daughter, Studham... Albert Horton, 13, son, Studham... Beatrice Horton, 11, daughter, Studham... George Horton, 9, son, Studham... Walter - owner of Steam Threshing machines.

1881 Census, Hall End Studham... Alfred Horton, 47, Head, Dagnall... Elizabeth Horton, 40, wife, Studham... Ellen Horton, 19, daughter, Dagnall... Lois Horton, 17, daughter, Studham... Walter Horton, 14, son, Studham... Archie Horton, 11, son, Studham... Ada Alice Horton, 9, daughter, Studham... Annie Horton, 6, daughter, Studham... Joseph Horton, 5, son, Studham... Albert Horton, 3, son, Studham... Beatrice Horton, 1, daughter, Studham... Alfred - Farmer of 400 acres, employing 10 Labourers and 4 boys.

1871 Census, Hall Farm, Studham... Alfred Horton, 35, head, Edlesborough... Elizabeth Horton, 28, wife, Studham... Lois Horton, 7, daughter, Studham... Walter Horton, 6, son, Studham... Archie Horton, 1, son, Studham... Ruth Bull, 19,Domestic Servant, Tring... Alfred - Farmer of 370 acres employing 10 men and 4 boys

1861 Census, Pratts Mill Farmhouse, Edlesborough, Alfred Horton, 27, head, Dagnall... Ann Horton, 22, wife, Whipsnade... George Putman, 16, lodger, Ploughman, Dagnall... Alfred - Farmer's Bailif.

Marriage for Alfred Horton to Ann Turvey, Totternhoe, registered Luton, March 1861. Death for Ann, registered Luton, March 1865... may have died in childbirth... Birth for Walter Horton, registered Luton, March 1865... Marriage for Alfred Horton to Elizabeth Bailey, Studham, registered Luton, June 1866.

Baptism for Walter Horton 25/02/1865 Studham.Parents Alfred Horton and Ann.

Many thanks for all the information you have given, was there anything on the Bird side not quite sure where that surname comes into the frame I know my grandad was alfred bird Horton

Walter married Louisa Bird 1891........1891 census Leighton Rd Edlesborough...Fred Bird,h,45,farmer,Eaton Bray...Martha A Bird,w,45,Northall...Louisa Bird,d,22,Eaton Bray...Ruth Bird,d,20,Eaton Bray...Minnie Bird,d,17,teacher,Eaton Bray...Rose Bird,d,15,Northall...Gertrude Bird,d,11,Northall...Laura Bird,d,8,Northall...Arthur Bird,s,1,Northall.

1881census Old Whistlers Edlesborough........Fred Bird,h,34,Eaton Bray...Martha A Bird,w,34,Northall...Louisa Bird,d,12,Eaton Bray...Ruth Bird,d,10,Eaton Bray...Minnie Bird,d,7,Eaton Bray...Rose Bird,d,5,Eaton Bray...Gertrude Bird,d,1,Northall...Lizzie Bates,neice,18,Northall........Fred is a farmer of 20 acres employing 2 labourers.

1871 census Comp Road Eaton Bray.......Frederick Bird,h,25,Eaton Bray...Martha A Bird,w,25,Northall...Louisa Bird,d,2,Eaton Bray...Ruth Bird,d,4 months,Eaton Bray.......Fred is a hay and straw dealer.......Marriage for Fred to Martha Ann Costin 22/10/1868 Eaton Bray Beds.

Thanks once again I notice in the 1901 census for walter horton the address given was Wesleyan Chapel have you any ideas why this was, as all the other census's seem to be Farms.

Sorry Susan the address 2 entries above was the Wesleyan Chapel.Walters address should read Chapel Street...Is there a date on Annies watch as I can only find 2 Annie Birds in Eaton Bray but not direct to your family.Could be cousins.

thanks the letter date on my watch is F

Just wondering is the Thorne farm still in the centre of Eaton Bray, visited many a time with my nan and grandad Horton, I think it was Connie and George? and I know I visited a pig farm owned by Perry Thorne, I think the names are right, as I was only a child went I visited

Pain again, can you recommend a good reference book that would contain the baptism,s and deaths for Edlesborough church so I can investigate the Horton family in depth, I have managed to find out right back to Joseph Horton in 1841 census

Thornes farmhouse is still there but its surrounded by houses now..........A good place to start your search would be Bucks Records Office........Centre For Buckinghamshire Studies,Walton Street,Aylesbury,Bucks,HP20 1UU...Archive Searchroom,Tel 01296 [email protected] the best web site for parish records is familysearch but always put in at least +or- 2 years on any search...And theres always us if you need any more help

Hi. Sorry to trouble, but I am at a loss being trying to find Constance Horton, daughter of louisa and walter, have you any baptist records, managed to find Archie Hortons birth details, which was a job because he was named William Archie. thanks

Cant find a baptism,but her birth reg Leighton Buzzard June 1906 vol 3b page 376.She was registered as Constance Beryl Horton.....Found her in 1911 living with William Archie 18,Doris Lucy 14 and Reginald 2.

Reginald Walter Horton birth reg Leighton Buzzard September 1908 vol 3b page 361.

Thanks for all the info, have managed to find out about Louisa Horton, very sad, If anyone looking
at the website has any more information on the Bird/ Horton side of the family it would be greatly appreciated.

I think Walter may have died  1909 in London, any info on this, I know Constance went to America as a young child, with a brother and in the 1911 census the family were living with Fred Bird and Alfred with another Bird Family in Eaton Bray havy you any news on this topic

Have you any clues to the Marriage of William Bird to Mary around 1839 area, Thanks, Susan

Will keep looking for Walter.......Do you know when & where William was born as there are quite a few marriages for a William Bird to Mary.

Found William baptism....02/04/1808 Eaton Bray Beds.Parents Jeremiah Bird and Martha Janes.Found William And Mary on 1841 and 1851 census but no marriage as yet.Mary born Edlesborough c1818..

Nothing on ancestry but found this on genes reunited....Marriage of William Bird to Mary Bates 08/10/1836 Edlesborough Bucks...The date would explain why there was no registration....Still nothing for Walter or Constance but have found marriages and births in Eaton Bray Parish Records for Jeremiah and kids  if you want them.

Do you know where Louisa died as it could give us a clue for Walter.

Do you have a tree on Genes Reunited?

From Parish Records transcribed as BURT.......July 20 1806,Jesse,son of Jeremiah & Martha...April 2 1809,William son of Jeremiah & Martha...September 15 1811,Zilpha daughter of Jeremiah & Martha...Marriage for Jeremiah Bird of Edlesborough to Martha Janes of Eaton Bray February 11 1806.

Yes I do have a teee on Genes reunited, Louisa died in 1952 at the Three Counties, Arlsley, she was commited around 1910/11 I think walter may have died in London in 2nd quarter 1908 I am waiting for death certificate to come back this may explain that in the 1911 Census children were living with Fred Bird and Martha, I do know Fred died in 1912 not sure about Martha's death, I do know Constance went to America, but I do not know with whom, there was talk she went with a relative. She does have descendants in America and I hope to investigate further..  Thanks for your help

Hi,any ideas about William Archie Bird, in 1911 census living with Fred and Martha Bird , he would have been 18 can't seem to find any marriage details, thanks

Do you have details of 1911 census? Address etc...Cant seem to work it out.

The address was The Green Farm Eaton Bray

Struggling with Archie but still searching.Have sent you a PM through Genes Reunited

Some how IVE got my wires crossed...William Archie Bird and William Archie Horton are one and the same.

Yes William Archie Horton, was the son of walter and louise Horton, Fred Bird was his grandad, I know it all gets so confusing, sue

Found a death on Ancestry...William Archibald Horton born about 1893 died 2nd qtr 1983 Biggleswade vol 9 page 0231...Biggleswade covers Arlesey.

Thanks for your help now I know why it took so long to find out about William Archie. Do you know if there is anything on Rose Bird getting married born 1886 and also is there any record of Martha Birds death I do know Fred died in 1912

Sorry just for reference..On your tree you have Rosa Bird born 1886 but in census she is born about 1876...and is the Martha Bird her mother?

Baptism...Rose Bird Feb 6 1876 Edlesborough Bucks.......Birth reg Leighton Buzzard Dec 1875 vol 3b page 410.

Yes my mistake, and Martha was her mother, not sure when Martha died though.

Laura Bird married in 1905 2nd quarter reg L/b 3b 965 is there anything in the parish records to say whom she married

From Free BMD....Laura Bird reg Leighton Buzzard June 1905 vol 3b page 865 to Arthur Edward Moore.

Have you anything in the Parish records for births of William Archie Horton, who married Florence Lewis in 1913 I do know that up to 1920 they were living at 3 Chapel Yard, Also apart from the cemetary at the two churches is there another cemetary in Eaton Bray, made a fleeing visit at the weekend, but could hardly find burials for the |Birds and the Hortons. Thanks

sorry I am looking for the childred of william archie and florence

Only have very early parish records from 1559-1812.The records you are looking for around 1920s will be on microfiche at Beds Records Office....
There is a cemetary in Bower Lane as you come into the village.It looks empty but it is in fact so full that the parish council are looking for more land.Most of the markers were made of wood and have rotted over the years so many graves are now unmarked.We are hoping to have a database for Bower Lane very soon.....Will have a look for Children of William Archie and Florence on Ancestry.

Found 2 at the moment born Horton with mothers maiden name Lewis.......Valda Horton reg Leighton Buzzard March 1915 vol 3b page 600...Ivy W Horton reg Leighton Buzzard March 1917 vol 3b page 548......If you are doing leg work around the church yards you may find Hortons in Totternhoe.

thanks for the info, I live on the Isle of Wight, so won't be back that way for a while

recently discovered Fred Bird (g Grand) sister Ann married Mark Sharratt they had 4 children, one of which was George, George went to Ogden Weber, Utah USA where he married Mary Slade in 1914 , I am hoping there is a connection to Constance Horton, going out to America as a young child, I now know where the Sharratt family come in, as my grandad and nan (alfred Horton) visited the Sharratts and spent every Xmas day with them , just thought I would let you know as info might be of interest to someone

Susan...I dont know if you have seen it but there is a Sharratt on the history page in "Those who served" with the initial A. Could be Alfred but dont know.

From Ellis Island.....Constance Horton residence Dunstable England,Arrived 1912 age 6.There are other records but you have to register.

Ellis Island.....George Sharratt residence Ogden Utah,arrived 1922 age 43...Dorothy Sharratt residence Ogden Utah,arrived 1922 age 7.

On the web you can access a site about Utah since statehood, historical and biographical. In this book you can find a section on George Sharratt, a up and coming business man who was the owner of the Ogden City Floral Company , who arrived on the shores on the New World on the 10th August 1906 and made his way straight to Utah he took out naturalization papers and became a citizen of Ogden in 1918 in 1922 he must have been on a visit with his daughter Dorothy, thanks for your info Tom n Harry

Any ideas if Rose Bird 1876 got married around this area

Hi Susan.....Rose is at home with parents age 25 in 1901.Cant find her in 1911 and cant find a marriage between these dates.But,there is a death that fits.......Rose Bird reg Luton March 1905 vol 3b page 280 age 29..Might not be her but it could be worth following up.

There are 2 births for Rose Bird in Bedfordshire December 1876,1 in Luton and the other which is your Rose in Leighton Buzzard so death could be Rose reg Luton.......Did your Rose have a middle name?

ROSA on 1891 and 1901 census....also Rosa reg Leighton Buzzard Dec 1875.

Sorry , found her in 1911.Still at home but her age is wrong by 10 years!!

Thought Rosa might have gone to America as well but cant find her on Ellis Island. Nothing in Hendon with Gertrude either.Could have moved in with Laura And Arthur.Might be worth you posting on GR for an electrol roll look up.I think there is a thread on there that will do it......On another note have you seen photos on the history page.There is a photo of Eaton Bray football team from the 50s with a Bill Sharratt top left.Could be one of yours.

Found out Gertrude went to America in 1930,a widow to join her sister Ruth who  married an American Joseph Curran , Ruth came and took Constance Horton to America in 1912 ruth and her husband adopted Constance so she became a Curran, In the American census, Ruth was a widow living with Gertrude and Constance. Ruth married Jospeh in America  in 1904 Illinois, Have not got a clue where she may have met him, thought I would share this info. Will take your tip about Rosa/Rose

Susan...Dont know if you have seen it, but there is another site for Eaton Bray.They have a good photo album and page 15 shows Yew Tree Farm owned by the Sharratts.

For anyone interested, I have information about William Archibald Horton, born 1893 in Leighton Buzzard, written by one of his daughters.

Tim, I would be interested in any information you have on William Archibald Horton.  My grandmother was Constance Horton Curran and she had said that her brother Archie was gassed during WW1 and never fully recovered and died in the 1920s.  

Susan, Constance Horton (I will refer to her as "Grammy") was born on April 29, 1906 and came to America on the "Carmania".  She said that she doesn't remember her birth parents since they died when she was young.  It is interesting that her mother was still alive until the early '50s and I don't believe she was aware of this.  She said that she had lived with her grandparents on "Great Green Farm" in Eaton Bray and that her grandfather, Fred Bird, was always very kind and understanding to her. It sounds liker her grandmother, Martha Bird, was very strict.  She was adopted by Ruth Bird and Joseph Curran who took her to America in 1912.  She said that they were booked passage on the Titanic but it was changed when her grandfather got ill.  Ruth (born on Dec. 2, 1871 in Northal, died in 1955) and Joe (born on March 19, 1871 in Middletown, Ohio, died in 1929) met in St. Louis, Missouri when he went to the train station to meet her and her Aunt Hannah, whom he knew.  Grammy grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio.  Grammy married William H. Fry on September 4, 1936.  They had four children, Linda, Roger, Alan and Alison.  Linda is my mother.  I knew Aunt Gertie and she lived with us briefly when I was young.  She would push my brother and me around the block in the carriage.  Aunt Gertie lived with my grandparents in Cincinnati, Ohio and died in 1975.  Grammy died in 1996.  I was very close with her and I miss her very much.  This is probably more information than you wanted but it gives you an idea where Grammy ended up in America.  I've got a number of photos of the Bird family, including you grandfather Alfred, which I would be happy to share with you.  I would be interested in any other information you have on the Bird/Horton side.

Edlesborough parish register transcripts can be found on Ancestry. Also on familysearch.org which is free to use.

Hi Susan,

I am a Sharratt descendant. My 2nd great-grandmother was Mary Ann Sharratt who married David Rollings. They came to Ogden, Utah in 1852 and my great-grandmother Elizabeth Jane was born there. Her husband Joseph Thomas Johnson may have been responsible for George Sharratt coming to Ogden. Both of George's daughters have passed on but there are descendants. George and Elizabeth Jane would have been first cousins once removed.

Hi Susan
I have just discovered this forum. I am the granddaughter of William Archie Horton and Florence Lewis, my mother was Valda Constance Horton born in 1914. She died in 2009. She had a sister Ivy born in 1916. My mother always said she was named Constance after her aunt. Florence met Archie while in service to his aunt in Eaton Bray. My mother told me that her father had been "taken away" when she was about 5 to a hospital, she was told he suffered from neurasthenia. She had no contact with him after. She lived with her mother Florence and her mothers family in Wealdstone. Valda then married my father Charles Cecil Wyatt in 1941  and they had two daughters, myself born in 1946 and my elder sister Jennifer born in 1943. Before my mother died we tried to follow up some family records but didn't get far. I would be very interested to pursue this with you

Mark, we are apparently "cousins"your grandmother Constance and my grandfather Archie would have been brother and sister. My mother Valda, was Archie Hortons daughter from his marriage to Florence Lewis. She always told us she was named Valda Constance, Constance after her aunt, though this name did not in fact appear on her birth certificate. She was born in 1914 and died in 2009. I never knew my grandfather Archie who was taken into hospital (asylum) when she was very young, 5 or 6. I have one photo of my mother very young on his lap at a family wedding.

Hello all,
Setting the stage, Monica’s Dad was my Grandad’s brother.  I noted in the above discussion that Alfred Horton married Ann Turvey and that Walter Horton was their son.  It seems that Alfred and Ann were married at Tottenhoe in 1861.   When I searched for their names and the place, I discovered an excellent source (link below) that may show Ann Turvey, age 3, living with Thomas Turvey(65), Harriet Turvey (35) etc.  They are recorded as living plot 44...there is a beautiful map of the village which shows the plot.  More Turveys live at plot 66 and also plot 32.  If you scroll down further to plot 170, the Dukes Head public house.  Here you have Hortons!!  No Alfred, but, a William aged 5.  Could be a case of William (Alfred)?


http://bedsarchives.bedford.gov.uk/CommunityArchives/Totternhoe/1841CensusForTotternhoe.aspx

ok, I seen now in the 1861 census recording Alfred and Ann, that Alfred was born in Buckinghamshire, perhaps there I was clutching at straws

Alfred was from Dagnall only 4.8 miles from Totternhoe

Hi Monica I have lots on William Archie Horton he was admitted to the Three Counties Lunatic Asylum in 1920 and died there on the 29  may 1983 I have his whole hospital records for the time he was there. He received no visitors also his mother LOUISA HORTON was also there be admitted in 2Feb 1910 and died in there in 1952 aged 82 I have all her hospital records too. very sad in both cases. I have some pics of Louisa  and other info on the Hortons Alfred Horton was my grandad  a wonderful man

Hi Mark I remember your mother Linda when she came to the Uk with Auntie Connie and stayed with Nanny n Grandad we had a get together at my Mum n Dads house which I have pics of. It’s strange that Louisa was never spoken of and very sad that both her son and herself were institunalised for so many years I have a pic of Louisa at a family wedding she was a handsome lady and more info you require I will be happy to help

Monica fogot to state when Louisa was admitted in 1910 on her admission records Archie Horton was also a patient there I do not know when he was discharged. I think Louisa could have been suffering from post natal depression because Reginald was born 1909 and her husband Walter had died 1908

Hi Susan
So your Grandad and mine, Archie, were Brothers!? Such a pity all this didn't happen while my mother Valda was alive. She was trying to find out more about her fathers family late in her life and feeling upset that she had not shown any interest before. I think her mother Florence dissuaded the daughters when they were younger from seeking any contact, feeling it would upset them.

Hi Monica if I can help you with any info will be pleased to help

Hi Monica I have just looked on the Eaton Bray history page and there is a picture of Archie Horton in the football team dated 1907 thought I would let you know

Thankyou Susan, I checked the photo. Kind of strange feeling to see a young boy who was a grandad I never met.

Hi Susan
I would be interested in seeing my grandads hospital records. It's all very much in my mind since I've had all this info. Not sure how we can be in touch apart from this forum. My address is Monica Wyatt 24 Avenue de la Mer 11200 Thezan des Corbieres France. I am coming to the uk for about 8 days in June and again in early October.

Horton burials in Edlesborough crypt

The first post in this thread mentions Hortons being buried in Edlesborough crypt. Do you have any evidence for this? There are several burials of them in the graveyard, I have entered them onto findagrave.com, but I have not found anything about the crypt. I belong to Friends of the Church on the Hill and we are interested in all aspects of its history.

Hi Susan
I am wondering if you still look at this forum, I would very much like to have my grandfathers hospital records, or a copy if that could be arranged. I am continuing my ancestry research.