GREEN - HOUNSLOW

Hello
I've just found your site & wondering whether someone might be able to help me.
I'm descended from Emanuel Hounslow who came out to Australia with his father, stepmother & surviving siblings in 1849. Emanuel's father was Richard Hounslow, born in Wing in 1800. For a long time many researchers have been 'stuck' on Richard's first wife and the mother of his children, Hannah Green, but I've just confirmed that she is the Hannah Green who married Richard Hounslow (transcribed as 'Hounsler') on 23/5/1823 in Eaton Bray. By 1828 they were back in Wing. It is Hannah's background that I'm wanting help with.
Hannah died following childbirth in December 1838 & her age at death is recorded as 35. This would make her born c1803. I think she was probably from Eaton Bray, or perhaps from somewhere nearby. There was a Hannah Green bap 11/2/1798 Eaton Bray, daughter of Joseph Green & Sarah Carter..... also a Hannah Green bap 4/8/1799 Dunstable. Is one of these 'our' Hannah? Are there other Hannah Green's born in the Eaton Bray area?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Sue

Hi Sue............

Have seen Hannah's baptism as you say
11/2/1798.The next record I can find for the family is a burial for Joseph
December 11th 1800. Died as a pauper.
This is from Eaton Bray Parish Records 1559-1812.

Marriage..November 2nd 1797 Joseph Green to Sarah Carter both of Eaton Bray.

Maybe a brother for Hannah....


Baptism February 9th 1800 Thomas son of Joseph & Sarah Green.

Hannah's Mother?.....


Baptism March 28th 1774 Sarah daughter of Thomas & Ann Carter

Think I've found Hannah's brother Thomas on census 1841-1871.Will post tomorrow...How do you know Hannah died in 1838? Have you seen a record?

Thanks Tom n Harry
I didn't have a burial for Joseph so that's great thanks. Only 2 days after baby Thomas was born.
The census possibility I came across for Thomas was in Great Gaddeston, Hertfordshire - is this the one you found?
I think Joseph was probably bap in Totternhoe (14/5/1769), the middle of 3 known children of John & Mary Green (recorded as Gren).
I think Sarah was the 3rd of 5 children of Thos & Ann Carter.
Do you have any record of Sarah (Carter) Green's death?
Yes, Hannah died in Wing in 1838, following the birth of her youngest child Hannah. This Hannah went to live with her paternal aunt Ann Norris (nee Hounslow) in Dunstable. She died there when she was 7 months old  but was buried in Wing.
Sue

Hi Sue......

Census 1841 Edlesborough Bucks...
Census 1851 and 1861 Gt Gassedden...
Census 1871 Aldenham Herts...

Will search for Sarah's death

Maybe we are looking for the wrong surname for Sarah Carter Green...

Banns of marriage May 5th 1805 Thomas Nunes of Leighton Buzzard to Sarah Green of Eaton Bray from Parish Registers 1559-1812.

Familysearch site shows a marriage for Sarah Green to Thomas Newens 15th May 1805 Leighton Buzzard.

Think this is your Sarah....

1841 shows Sarah Newnes living in Leighton Buzzard with Richard Redding and family....

Familysearch shows a marriage Leighton Buzzard 15th October 1823 Richard Reding to Hannah Green.

Hi Tom n Harry
What do you make of this?
So this suggests that Hannah's mother married twice & would have died a Newens. The two 1823 marriages for Hannah Green (1 in Leighton Buzzard & 1 in Eaton Bray) are interesting & a puzzle.  The Hannah Green baptized in 1799 in Dunstable also has a mother called Sarah Green (daughter of Thomas & Sarah Green). It is the Eaton Bray marriage though that is 'ours' - Hannah Green & Richard Hounslow (Hounsler)- the witnesses at this marriage was Richard's sister Ann & her husband Phillip Norris.  That Sarah might have remarried after Joseph died however makes sense as she would have had a 2 year old & new infant. What do you think?
Sue  

Sorry , I seem to have searched the wrong Sarah.Will look for another marriage or death.

The 1805 marriage of Sarah Green from EB to Thomas Nunes does make sense though... 5 years after her first husband died & that she is from EB???? Its just the next bit, the 1841 census with Sarah living with Richard Redding, then her daughter marrying him, that doesn't quite fit.

Found another marriage 15th May 1815 Sarah Green to Richard Scott Eaton Bray Beds...Will check census for Sarah and Richard.

I understand what you are saying about the Newens marriage but as the Banns were read in Eaton Bray it surgests that this Sarah was resident of the Village.

Think I've confused the job....

There are deaths for a Sarah Green registered Leighton Buzzard December 1837 vol 6 page 47 and March 1838 vol 6 page 64.

So perhaps she didn't remarry at all?
Joseph Green did have a sister Sarah bap 1773 Totternhoe - perhaps this is part of the confusion??

Will search again tomorrow...

Was Mary Ann Reading Richards second wife?
Marriage Wing 6th September 1840

Yes, Mary Ann Reading (not Richards) was Richard Hounslow's 2nd wife. She came out to Australia with him & his surviving children (mothered by his first wife, Hannah Green).

Just seen baptism of Emanuel in Eaton Bray 1834 Wesleyan and then baptised again in Wing 1848 age 14....

May be able to find some Wesleyan records that may give us a bit more.

That's really helpful. I wondered, given the names Emanuel (& Ezekiel) whether they might have been Methodist but hadn't found the first baptism for Emanuel.  I actually had a DOB of 20/12/1835 for him (from records in Australia) so that is obviously wrong! What is the actual date of baptism & is any more information given on the PR? Many thanks - this is so helpful

Baptisms...

9th June 1833 Wing Bucks , Ezekiel , Parents Richard Hounslow & Hannah...

1st November 1834 Eaton Bray Beds , Emanuel , Parents Richard Hounslow & Hannah Green...

17 December 1848 Wing Bucks , Emanuel AGE 14 , Parents Richard Hounslow.

17 December 1848 Wing Bucks , Richard AGE 12 , Parents Richard Hounslow.

Can't find baptism for George born c1835...Are there any more children born to Richard & Hannah as there seems a big gap between marriage and first born.

Sorry I meant George c1830 but I think I may have found him.

Thanks for the bap date for Emanuel. Yes, I had the others & I have seen the rootsweb site. Was there also an earlier baptism for Richard in EB - methodist c1836?
Their first child, Fanny might have been born in EB too - she was bap in April 1828 in Wing age 3 1/2 (born Dec 1824).
It's Hannah Green though who has always been such a puzzle. Researchers had always assumed she was from Wing & that her marriage to Richard was in Wing (but there was no record). I'm feeling confident that she was from EB where they married. Do you think we can safely assume that she is the daughter of Joseph Green & Sarah Carter? The other Sarah & Hannah Greens in LB confuse things a bit don't they (& maybe the 1799 bap of Sarah Green in Dunstable)? It's often hard isn't it to be certain. Are there any other details of the 2 deaths of Sarah Green (1837 & 1838)?  

Sorry... I meant bap of Hannah, not Sarah, Green in Dunstable

Can't find another baptism for Richard. Seems strange that the only Wesleyan in the family was Emanuel.
Fanny as you say has a baptism in Wing 1828 and a birth date of 1824 so she may have been born Eaton Bray but no proof yet..
I think its a safe bet that Hannah was the daughter of Joseph in Eaton Bray but don't think Joseph was originally from Eaton Bray.
The only way to be certain is to find the marriage record for Hannah showing fathers name and occupation.

As far as Sarahs death is concerned you need to order the death cert but either or neither could be your Sarah.Will try to find record next time I go to the records office in Bedford.

Sue..Try here

Email: [email protected]

Looking for Hannah's marriage
(should give Father)

Looking for Sarah's death
(should give name of informant)

Contact Bedfordshire & Luton Archives & Records Service
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Also Joseph's death 1800.
Could give a clue as to when and where he was born.

Many thanks again, you have been such a wonderful help.
I will contact the archives office again to see if I can find more info on the deaths. I've tried already for the marriage & there was no father for Hannah recorded (only witnesses - Richard's sister Ann & her new husband Phillip Norris).
I think Joseph might be the Joseph GREN, bap 14/5/1749 Totternhoe, son of John & Mary Gren. This Joseph had at least 2 siblings, Hannah 1763 (probably the Hannah who married Ben Hubbins at EB in 1784) & Sarah 1773. My guess is there were probably others in between & I'm wondering about Mary who married Thomas Johnston in EB in 1792 & John who married Ann Sanders in EB in 1794.

I think Sarah Carter, Hannah's mother, was from EB.... 3rd of 5 children of Thomas (Thos) & Ann Carter: Elizabeth 1769, Thos 1771, Sarah 1774, Mary 1775 (died age 2) & William 1778. Does this fit with local records you have access to?

Sue..

Can check Totternhoe Parish records next week at Dunstable Library.

Many thanks Tom n Harry.... all your help is much appreciated
Sue

Totternhoe Parish Records...

Baptism..
April 1st 1805 Benjamin son of Elizabeth Green , Bastard...
October 18th 1761 John son of John & Mary Green...
July 18th 1763 Hannah daughter of John & Mary Green...
May 14th 1769 Joseph son of John & Mary Green...
February 28th 1773 Sarah daughter of John & Mary Green...
March 22nd 1778 William son of William & Mary Green...

Marriage...

November 7th 1798 William Snoxall to Martha Green both of Totternhoe...
April 1st 1805 William Holt (bach) to Elizabeth Green (spin)...
July 9th 1747 John Gren of Studham to Mary Jurams of Edlesborough...
September 27th 1810 John Green to Esther Gibbs both of Totternhoe...

From above it looks as though Joseph belongs to John Gren of Studham. Checked for John but nothing in Studham. Also checked neighbouring villages of Kensworth & Whipsnade but still nothing..

Many thanks again
There's a big gap between the marriage of John from Studham 1747 & John's birth in 1761... I'm not convinced this marriage is our John & Mary.... perhaps an uncle??? What do you think? I wonder who Elizabeth & Martha belonged to?

Hi Sue...

Think you may be right. That's a very big gap for those times...

Tom & Harry,

It has been some time, 8 years, since this exchange, but I do have info on this family.    
I have Hannah Green as the daughter of Elijah Green and Elizabeth Eavestaffe. Also Richard's parents as probably John Hounslow and Sara Mundy.

May I have the E-Mail Address for Sue, please..  

Tom & Harry,

It has been some time, 8 years, since this exchange, but I do have info on this family.    
I have Hannah Green as the daughter of Elijah Green and Elizabeth Eavestaffe. This fits Hannah's oldest son Elijah. Also Richard's parents as probably John Hounslow and Sara Mundy.

Oops, left out christening of Richard in Eaton Bray Wes Meth 26 Feb 1837

May I have the E-Mail Address for Sue, please..