News and Local Information about Eaton Bray in Bedfordshire.
Skip navigation

Fountain family

November 19, 2010 by janet in forum Genealogy / History

#656 janet, 19 November 2010, 10:44

Any information about Fountain family. My grandfather was Arthur and his parents were James and Maria, who moved to Dunstable, but James parents were Jabez and Louisa who might have run the Fountain Inn in Eaton Bray.

#658 Tom n Harry, 19 November 2010, 19:19

Hi Janet...
Jabez was a publican. 1881 census The Hope & Anchor Eaton Bray , 1891 The Victoria Beer House Eaton Bray and 1901 The Nightingale in Dunstable. The Fountain Inn was opened by John Fountain but not yet worked out which John.

#659 Tom n Harry, 19 November 2010, 21:00

Hi Janet...Which Fountain was the first in your family to emigrate to Oz?

#663 Tom n Harry, 22 November 2010, 08:48

Posted on Genes Reunited for Arthur in 1911 census and got this reply.....FOUNTAIN, May  Daughter   F  9  1902   Middlesex Hoxton   VIEW
SMEDLEY, Samuel  Servant  Single  M  22  1889   Barman  Sussex Plumstead   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Georgina Voilet  Daughter   F  0 (6 MONTHS)  1911   Middlesex Bayswater   VIEW
GIBBS, Archibald  Servant  Single  M  19  1892   Barman  Sussex Hastings   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Eliza  Wife  Married
10 years  F  34  1877   Assisting In The Business  Surrey Bermondsey   VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Arthur  Head  Married  M  34  1877   Publican's Manager  Bedfordshire Dunstable   VIEW
LEADER, John  Servant  Single  M  20  1891   Barman  Windsor Berks   VIEW
SABOURIN, Primrose  Servant  Single  F  23  1888   General Servant Domestic  Surrey Bermondsey   VIEW
RG number:
RG14  Piece:
148  Reference:
RG14PN148 RG78PN5 RD2 SD2 ED9 SN180

Registration District:
Kensington  Sub District:
Kensington Central  Enumeration District:
9  Parish:
Kensington

Address:
179 Portobello Road

#664 Tom n Harry, 22 November 2010, 09:29

This is again from a lady on Genes Reunited........maybe the name would have changed ?

DUKE OF WELLINGTON
179-181 Portobello Road, Notting Hill, London. W11 2ED
T: 020 7727 6727 E: [email protected]

The Duke of Wellington is a stunning traditional pub set in the heart of vibrant Portobello Road. The friendly atmosphere reflects the truly multi cultural area in which it stands. Locals brush shoulders with antiques dealers and tourists share drinks with musicians.

Of course being a Young’s pub means that there is wide choice of drinks, ranging from finest Young’s bitters to carefully selected wines from across the world. The menu at the Duke of Wellington will offer everything expected from a great pub including the world famous fish and chips cooked in young’s beer batter.

photo
http://www.youngs.co.uk/pub-detail.asp?PubID=391

#665 Tom n Harry, 22 November 2010, 09:36

Marriage for Arthur Fountain to Eliza Sabourin reg St Olave September 1901 vol 1d page 343.……

1901 Census living 140 St Johns Road Shoreditch London

Arthur Fountain ,  single , 24 , Publicans Manager , Dunstable Beds…..
Emma Greenwood ,  widow , 49 , Housekeeper , Lambeth London…..
Mary Lillian Greenwood , 7 , Hastings Sussex…..
Beatrice Phillis Greenwood , 9 , Hastings Sussex…..
Catherine Macersen , 54 , widow , 54 , Domestic Servant , County Tyrone Ireland…..
Ernest Leopold Haylett , single , 18 , Barman , Yarmouth Norfolk…..

Got the name of the pub again from Genes as The Robin Hood & Little John

#669 Tom n Harry, 22 November 2010, 10:59

1891 Census The New Inn Union St Dunstable……
James Fountain , head , 40 , Straw plait dyer and Public House Keeper , Eaton Bray…
Maria Fountain , wife , 40 , Eaton Bray…
Arthur Fountain , son , 15 , Straw plait dyer , Dunstable…
Albert Fountain , son , 10 , Scholar , Dunstable…
William Bearton , visitor , 16 , Straw plait dyer , Dunstable

#674 Tom n Harry, 24 November 2010, 06:42

1881 Census Leighton Gap The Pheasant Inn Houghton Regis Beds…
James Fountain , head , 30 , Publican & Labourer , Eaton Bray…
Maria Fountain , Wife , 30 , Assistant to Publican , Ivinghoe…
Ezra Fountain , son , 7 , Scholar , Eaton Bray…
Arthur Fountain , son , 3 , Scholar , Dunstable…
Albert Fountain ,  son , 18 months , Dunstable…
James Weatherhead , Brother in Law , 17 , Straw Envelope Maker , Eaton Bray………
Marriage for James Fountain to Maria Brown Weatherhead reg Leighton Buzzard June 1873...
Don’t know yet if the Brown in Maria’s name comes from her mothers side or if she may have been married before.

#675 Tom n Harry, 24 November 2010, 06:53

1871 census High Street Eaton Bray….
Richard Fountain , head , 71 , Retired Publican , Eaton Bray…
Susannah Fountain , Wife ,71 …
James Fountain , Grandson , 19 , General Servant , Eaton Bray….
The High Street is full of the Fountain family and the Fountain Inn is a few doors up run at this time by Joseph Henley.

#676 Tom n Harry, 24 November 2010, 07:12

1861 Census Bower Lane Eaton Bray…..
Louisa Fountain , head , 37 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
William Fountain , son , 17 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
Richard Fountain , son , 15 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
George Fountain , son , 13 , Straw Pliater , Eaton Bray…
Charles Fountain , son , 9 , Straw Plaiter , Eaton Bray…
Edwin Fountain , son , 4 , Edlesborough….
Can’t find Jabez in 1861 and have looked for him before on another enquiry.
Does have a prison record which I will post later so could be spending some time
Away.  (Drunk and riotous behaviour)

#677 Tom n Harry, 24 November 2010, 11:57

Janet....Have sent PMs.

#678 Tom n Harry, 24 November 2010, 12:45

Janet....On Bernie's Look Up thread post number's 633,634 and 636 have Parish Records for the Fountain family 1559-1812.

#742 Christine Andricksen, 23 December 2010, 01:35

I'm looking for the ancestors of William Carey Fountain who married (1) Emma and (2) Mary.  His mother was Harriet and father Thomas.  Father born in Buckingham and William b Cheltenham Gloucester - he had about 14 children.  Wonder if there is a link to your Fountains.  They were at
1881 Census 2 Hungerford St Cheltenham (Harriet and Thomas)
1881 Census 98 Cattel Rd Aston Warwick (William and Emma)
1891 Census 69 Vine Street Newton Heath Manchester.
Plus 1901 and 1911 Census same address.
William's children were: William, Thomas, Harriet, Kate and Alice (with Emmafirst wife)
and
Charles, Ernest, Harry, Gertrude and Marian with Mary 2nd wife).

There must be a tie-up somewhere.

If you are able to confirm anything would love to hear from you Many thanks
Christine


#743 Tom n Harry, 23 December 2010, 09:37

Hi Christine....Think we need to look at Thomas for a link.Found a possible marriage...Thomas Fountain to Harriet Turner September 1849 Cheltenham Gloucestershire...All census I can find born in Buckingham but can't find him in 1851.

#747 Helen Price, 30 December 2010, 12:48

Hi there
I am researching my nan who was born in Eaton Bray in the 1910-20 period. Her name was Rose Fountain. She went on to become a manageress of Woolworths in Luton or Dunstable where she met my grandfather Edward Price. I am interested in finding ourt more about her family. Her sister Connie is still alive.

#748 Tom n Harry, 30 December 2010, 15:37

Hi Helen ....Found rose's marriage to Edward Price 1939 but do you know who her father was?

#750 Vanessa, 31 December 2010, 04:59

There is a Constance Fountain on the 1911 census born 1910. Luton.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/results4.aspx?x=515506567

#751 Tom n Harry, 31 December 2010, 06:28


FOUNTAIN, Arthur Head Married M 41 1870 General Gardener Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Sarah Wife Married
20 years F 40 1871 Eddlesboro Bucks VIEW
FOUNTAIN, William Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer On Farm Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Lewis Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer On Farm Beds Eaton Bray VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Stanley Son M 12 1899 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Beatrice Daughter F 10 1901 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, George Son M 7 1904 School Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Alec Son M 3 1908 Beds Totternhoe VIEW
FOUNTAIN, Constance Daughter F 1 1910 Beds Totternhoe VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8991 Reference:
RG14PN8991 RG78PN478 RD178 SD1 ED7 SN83

Registration District:
Luton Sub District:
Dunstable Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Tottenhoe

Address:
Totternhoe Dunstable Bedfordshire County:
Bedfordshire

#752 Tom n Harry, 31 December 2010, 06:46

Can't find a birth registration for Rose in the dates you have given but quite a few for Constance's.Do you know when Constance was born and where?

#753 jane , 31 December 2010, 20:03

Haven't visited your site for a while but notice in december interest in The Fountain public house. One of my ancestors was the John Fountain. The Fountains kept the Chequers pub from 1746 to 1822 when it was sold to Dunstable Brewery. The Fountain was built on land owned by John in 1825 (rumour has it he had to build his own because he was barred from other establishments)and left to son  Richard on John's death on 1840.He left all his sons well provided for.  It was finally sold to Ivinghoe Ales in 1879 just before Richard died. During the first world war the licence was revoked and it became a private house. The pub was finally pulled down by Wallace the land now contains May Close a memorial to May Wallace father.    

#754 Christine Andricksen, 3 January 2011, 00:24

There were two John's at Buckinghamshire one was at Mentmore and I think they ended up at Eaton Bray but not sure of this. The others were my family as below, but they must have been related.  Hope this is of help to anyone researching:

John Fountain m Phoebe ? (date unknown)
Child William b before 1749
Ellesborough Buckingham
m Mary Buckland Buckland 15/8/1767
Note: He was up for a crime and sentenced to death 1818. In 1828 he was sentenced to imprisonment but died that year.
Children:
William, Georg, Joseph, Thomas, Solomon, Mary Sarah, Ann and John as follows
Plus
JOHN FOUNTAIN
b about 1776 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire
married: 13/10/1801
MARIAH PHILBY
b 1780 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire (parents John and Elizabeth Philby) She is also known as Maria
christening 25/6/1780
can't find date of death currently
Children:
All at Aston Clinton Bucks
Elizabeth 24/4/1803
Mary 18/10/1804 d 23/1/1811
John Death 27/12/1806
Henry 4/1/1907
Susannah 8/1/1809
Sarah 14/7/811 m William Foskett Aston Clinton 1838
Ann 25/6/1815
Thomas 1819 sometimes referred to as 1820 or 1821
Mary ? birth married Joseph Foskett Aston Clinton 1826


1841 Census:

John Fountain (66) Aylesbury living with Sophia Fountain (64)and Robert Lambert (23) ? Katter Street Aylesbury Buckinghamshire

1851 Census:

John Fountain 72 living with Henry Fountain (son) and Lucy (wife) children Tom, John, William, Harriet. Address Weston Turville Bucks
Died: About 1860 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire

THOMAS FOUNTAIN:
b 8/5/1819 Aston Clinton Buckinghamshire
married Harriett Turner (b Gloucester)

1841 Census:

Thomas: At Shalstone Buckinghamshire (20) Labourer (Leckhampstead) boarding house with Mary Jervoise, Margaret Cooper, Mary Bareham, Ann Dury, Elizabeth Burby, Job Johnson, Thomas Labourn.

1851 Census:
Can only find Thomas (30) and Harriett Fountain in Norfolk Great Yarmouth (occupation engineering and wife) 18 ?Cottage Heads says he was born in Norfolk but that obviously wrong. Harriett was born in Cheltenham Gloucestershire so presumably they were working there.
1861 Census:
at 66 Cottage Backs? Occupation Gatekeeper)
Children: William C (9 yrs), Thomas H (8 yrs) he was born in Middlesex London
1871 Census:
16 Northfield Passage Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Occupations: Thomas – Servant General, Harriett – Servant's wife, Thomas jnr Painter
Thomas, Harriett and Thomas H (19)
Death: 1889 Cheltenham Gloucestershire (Jan-Feb-Mar quarter)
WILLIAM CAREY FOUNTAIN:
b 1852 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Marriage:
1: September 1869 (17) to Emma Hawkes (Tewkesbury) b 1849 Twyning Worcester, Death March 1886 (Age 37) Prestwich
Family: Mother and father: Michael and Caroline.
Siblings: Maria, Harriet, Richard, 24 Hillcrest St Twyning Gloucester. Occupation Carpenter
2: June 1891 (age 39) Mary Ann (unknown) Hunslet b 1870 Skipton Yorkshire
Occupation: Cabinet Maker/Railway Coach Finisher
Living 69 Vine St Manchester 1891-1911
Children: with Emma Hawkes
Clara Jane b March 1870 Cheltenham
m Albert Frederick Soule b Dec 1871 Northleach No recorded children
Death Albert: March 1938 Chelte
Death Clara: June 1915 (45) Cheltenham
William Arthur Fountain
b 1872 Cheltenham
m ?  Child William who had 3 sons
Charles Guy Fountain
b September 1881 Aston Warwickshire
Death: 21 July 1953 (71) Silverstream Hospital Wellington
m Nellie Florence Carr 1915
Child: Irene Patricia Fountain
emigrated to NZ 1926
Ernest Alfred Fountain Machine Joiner
b September 1884 Newton Heath Manchester
m September 1912 Amy Mack
Her parents: Robert Slater Mack and Ellen Hoskinson both of Manchester
D March 1967 (82 yrs)

William Carey Fountain's Children: with Mary Ann
Gertrude b Dec 1894 Manchester
m Bertram Charles Chittenden b 1898 West Ashford Kent No recorded children
Occupation: Winder in Mill
Death march 1935 (40) West Ashford Kent,
Harry b 1898 Manchester (crippled leg)
Marion b 1900 (Manchester)

Can't find date of death as yet for William Carey Fountain but must have been after 1911 sometime.


Census:

1881:
Thomas Fountain and Harriet with Clara Fountain at 2 Hungerford St Cheltenham. Two lodgers Mary Reed and Sarah Cox.
William C Fountain and family at 98 Cattel St Aston Warwick with Emma first wife.

1891 Census:
William with 2nd wife Mary and William A, Thomas, Kate, Alice, Ernest.

1901 Census:
Same: address 69 Vine St Newton Heath Manchester

1911 Census:
William, Mary, Gertrude, Harry and Marion.





#780 Christine Andricksen, 25 January 2011, 05:54

re Fountain family - thanks for threads reference in lookups.  I have found quite a bit of info that I was looking for re my line.  Still having trouble finding out who John Fountaine who married Jane Knight 1677 Totternhoe came from.  He could have come from Thomas 1590 or Robert or Samuel his brothers but I can't find his pathway. He had Thomas Fountaine 1685 which set off our line.

#782 Tom n Harry, 26 January 2011, 13:06

Hi Christine......Found a tree on Ancestry for John Fountain who married Jane Knight which has him 1640 to 1697.Father Robert Fountain born 1595 Cheddington.Grandfather Robert Fountain born 1560 Cheddington to 1629 Cheddington.Gt Grandfather Thomas Fountain 1525 Cheddington to 1596 Cheddington......Cheddington is in Buckinghamshire a few miles away.
You will need to check this as I can't find anything on the tree as to records.

#783 Tom n Harry, 26 January 2011, 13:14

On Family Search it has a John baptised 13th April 1640 Edlesborough Bucks...Don't know if he is yours but father is Robert.

#786 Christine Andricksen, 26 January 2011, 18:07

Thanks very much for that yes I got that but I can't prove it is ours.  
Also found a parish rector in Bucks 1663-1667 for John Fountain, John Fountayne and Johannes Fountayne which is interesting also don't know if it is tied up.  If it is Robert who is the father it must be the 2nd generation Robert and John possibly was illegitemate.  But that's still to be found I suppose.  Got stuck at this point, got the rest but not this one.  Will keep looking - he's a bit of a mystery man this one!  Sounds as tho my ancestors were creating a dynasty!!! Interesting lot.

#787 Christine Andricksen, 26 January 2011, 20:37

Also found one for Samuel too which could be our John who knows.  The John Fountayne I found as a rector was at Linford Magna//Bucks appointed by subscription 1663 and Wolston parva//Bucks 1662 -
No reason for subscription given. Subscription to the Act of Uniformity by someone already in office. Johannes Fountayne was 1677(institution) and position was vacated by death. So I don't know if these are all tied up with the Fountain lot in Bucks but most likely are.  
Did John Fountayne/Fountain seems the same person, leave the church and marry?  Still to find these things out!

#788 Christine Andricksen, 27 January 2011, 20:44

re Robert Fountaine - did some further checking and found:  
Robert son of Thomas Founten 1595 had a son ? don't know if he married first or not, Robert about 1614/1609.
Robert 2 married 1634 wife unknown had John about 1640 all at Ellesborough Bucks so that looks as tho it ties in.  

There are also some at Lidlington Beds but they don't seem to have quite the same names.  Thomas Fountaine had son Robert 1594, and a William Fountain had son Robert 1603 and Robert Fountaine was orne to Francis Fountaine 1633 all at Lidlington so don't know who they are.

So hopefully that sorts out my little puzzle have got many of them on a spreadsheet now which makes more sense.

Many thanks again for your great help
Christine

#789 Christine Andricksen, 2 February 2011, 17:36

re my queries - thanks for all that it all links up now but now I'd like to find Thomas 1525 who his parents were - some in Devon which may be his parents.  Also I found Fountaine/Fountayne/Fountains/whatever originated in Norfolk and I've found all those back to 1365 - probably originated back then and migrated down south but can't quite find the connection except names are the same.  Norfolk ones were Sirs and Lady etc. and very notable - didn't trickle down to my line!!!! never mind don't really care about that.  Anyway I think we must have originated from them and hopefully sometime we can get further to the bottom of it.

Again many thanks for your great help.
Christine

#790 Christine Andricksen, 2 February 2011, 17:38

The Norfolk ones - These were the ones in Salle Norfolk. They go back to 1066 Battle of Hastings according to Family Crest information.  Sir Andrew Fountaine and John Fountain who was the Dean of York so all very illustrious!!! But they had a big fight on for the heir as they didn't have many children to follow on...all quite fascinating.  Sir Andrew was knighted by William III and was Warden of the Mint.  Very wealthy.

#794 Christine Andricksen, 6 February 2011, 20:59

Message for Bernie: You asked how William Carey Fountain got the name "Carey".  It may be that there is a connection to the Norwich Fountains, in particular John Fountain b1601 who ended up marrying Theodosia Harrington and eventually his brother Thomas' grandson became Dean of York (John Fountaine).etc.etc.  

John Fountain 1601 was a lawyer who had chambers in Boswell Court CAREY St London.  He was also in Buckinghamshire and Essex etc.etc. but he is a bit shadowy re his background - the family tree for this group includes him but as to his parentage it is thought he was Arthur's 3rd son but it is inconclusive.  Anyway it seems the Fountaines/Fountains etc. originated in Norfolk (except for the French lot who ended up in Devon and subsequently USA) and our lot in Bucks and Eaton Bray somehow descended from Norfolk Branch somewhere along the way from 1066 onwards.  
We must have been the poorer relations lot it seems....interesting.

#815 Peter Grant Fountain, 4 March 2011, 01:31

I am a descendant of John Fountain who left Oakham, Rutland UK in 1795 to join William Carey's Christian mission in India. I believe John died of a tropical disease in 1805 leaving a pregnant wife. John's wife remarried but the child retained the surname Fountain (unusual for those times).
This child's offspring are my predecessors  one of whom ended up in New Zealand. (Where I come from)
Maybe this history has some bearing on the name William Carey Fountain?

#816 Christine Andricksen, 5 March 2011, 18:41

Thanks Peter for that - it could well be why my g/grandfather was called William Carey Fountain.  Also John Fountain way back in 1600s worked in Carey Street in London at the Temple Inns - this was later corrupted to Queer St when the bankruptcy courts moved there apparently.  The buildings were later pulled down and what's there now is there.

I too live in NZ and my grandfather Charles Guy Fountain emigrated with wife Nellie and my mum Irene Patricia - are you related to this family at all?  I am happy for my email address to be given to you.

#817 Christine Andricksen, 6 March 2011, 19:52

Message for Peter Grant Fountain - would love to hear from you am on facebook but if you are in NZ even better.
Not much on your John Fountain but it all fits in seems they were Baptists and also Methodists later on. There is also a reference to PHERD, JOHN (d. 1225), bishop of Ely, properly called John of Fountains, was a Cistercian monk of Fountains, and was chosen ninth abbot of his house in December 1211.He was accordingly elected 24 Dec. 1219, and received the royal assent on the same day. He was consecrated by Langton at Westminster on 8 March 1220, and was enthroned at Ely on 25 March (Matt. Paris, iii. 58; Le Neve, Fasti, i. 328).  In contemporary chronicles he is always described simply as Johannes de Fontibus, or Johannes Eliensis. The name Pherd appears to be due to an error of Burton, who misread Elien' in the manuscript (Monasticon Eboracense, p. 210; cf. Memorials of Fountains, i. 134). Wonder if he is one of ours too?

#833 Jane Bishopp, 26 March 2011, 21:50

Sorry to but into these links but I have a copy of a Fountain family tree (see Jan 2011) which includes John Fountain of Slapton( bapt 13th April 1640 in Edlesborough bur. 30th June 1697 in Puttenham)  marrying Jane Knight Totternhoe 28th June 1677 (bapt c 1655 bur. 30th Nov 1706 Puttenham)
They baptised a child Thomas on 18th April 1678 Slapton.
Jane 1680- Thomas 1685 - Elizabeth 1688 all in Puttenham. I have lots of interesting facts on the Fountains and several extracts from wills. One interesting entry in the Domesday book is for Crafton in Wing where the Fountains had major holdings. The family christian name of Nicolas going from generation to generation. The monks had a Chapel at Crafton and may of the Fountains wer buried just inside or just outside the Chapel. At the dissloution of the monasteries this Chapel was incorporated into a house. At that time the Fountains were devout Catholics and the Leighton Buzzard monastic Records show them paying for masses to be said for their parents.  

#834 Christine Andricksen, 27 March 2011, 03:12

Message for Jane Bisshop - Hi Jane would love to have a copy of all this as I have just found some relatives direct to my family plus the other Fountains that everyone prob has.  But this sounds as tho we are on the right track for this one.  I am happy for you to have my email address and I will send a separate request for same.  If you can email anything I would be very grateful.  The tree would be great too.
Cheers
Christine Andricksen

#877 Rob Burns, 5 April 2011, 09:47

Can I please ask any of the posters if they can resolve something that is a bit of a mystery?

I am trying to find more information about my maternal grandfather, Henry (aka Harry) Fountain Newman. His marriage records indicate he was born c1881, in Eaton Bray.

I have obtained a death certificate which point sot being him. This is from 1915, in Paddington, W London. On this certificate the informant is the very same A Fountain, of 179 Portobello Road, who is the subject of the first post on this topic.

What is of interest is that he is referred to as 'step-brother'.

I have tried to see where the 'step' relationship occurs. Did Arthur's mother, Maria Fountain, remarry? i have searched and can find no record of this. Additionally, a James Newman of Paddington married a Florence Elizabeth Fountain in June 1906. Once again, looking through census, I can not find a Florence E Fountain.

Back to Henry Fountain Newman.  His father was a James Newman (deceased by 1907), and Henry seems to have added Fountain to his name before his marriage in 1907.

This may not all 'gel' together, but thought I might have a chance of tying  up some loose ends regarding the Fountain link, with the knowledge of the Fountain family members who post on this forum.

Any ideas or comments would be most welcome and I thank you for any.

#879 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 03:19

Hi Rob
I did find this on my spreadsheet of the Fountains.

Richard 1798 m Susannah Gadsden
E/Bray 1821
Children:
Jabez 1822
Elizabeth 1827
Gadsden 1826
Jonas 1828
L/Buzzard 1847 I think this means Richard m Leah Fountain 1850 and had Henry 1851 So maybe this is your Henry's Dad or grandfather? Can't find an Arthur just yet. Maria Fountain was involved with the Fountain Inn I remember seeing somewhere so will try and find that too.  
Will look as well for you.

#880 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 03:43

Got part of it from familysearch.org.uk

But Henry Fountain Newman isn't born at this stage by the look of it.  However you may be right, perhaps Maria remarried or had another child called Henry Fountain Newman.   some
Henry FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Ag Labourer    
Ann FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   29   Slapton, Buckingham, England   Ag Labourer Wife    
Maryann FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Georgeina FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   4   Cheddington, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Arthur W. FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   6   Horton, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Florence E. FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   1   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3 m   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Ruth FOUNTAIN   Relative      Female   11   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Plaiter    


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
 Dwelling   Cottage
 Census Place Cheddington, Buckingham, England
 Family History Library Film   1341392
 Public Records Office Reference   RG11
 Piece / Folio   1644 / 58
 Page Number   25


This is James and Maria at 1881 Census:
James FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Publican & Labourer    
Maria FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   30   Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England   Assistant To Head (Publican)    
Ezra FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Arthur FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3   Dunstable, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   18 m   Dunstable, Bedford, England   -    
James WEATHERHEAD   Wifes Brother   U   Male   17   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Envelope Maker    


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
 Dwelling   Leighton Gap Pheasant Inn
 Census Place Houghton Regis, Bedford, England
 Family History Library Film   1341393
 Public Records Office Reference   RG11
 Piece / Folio   1647 / 47
 Page Number   2


I did find this Maria Newman ? same one if so may have married Fountain after and added Fountain to Harry's name perhaps:  Possibly he was illegitemate somewhere along the line...

Husband
Joseph Newman Pedigree


 Birth:  About 1831  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Christening:    
Marriage:  About 1860  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Death:    
Burial:    
 

 
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wife
Maria Newman Pedigree


 Birth:  About 1840  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Christening:    
Marriage:  About 1860  Buckingham, Buckingham, England
Death:    
Burial:    
 

 
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Children

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.   Emelie Newman Pedigree
  Female  
   
  Birth:  About 1867  Plumstead, Kent, England
Christening:    
Death:    
Burial:    
 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2.   Harold Newman Pedigree
  Male  
   
  Birth:  About 1887  Deptford, Kent, England
Christening:    
Death:    
Burial:    


#881 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 05:56

For Rob again re Henry Fountain Newman

I was given the following book reference on the Fountains at Familysearch.org.uk Latter Day Saints follow the prompts - if you check at your local branch you might be able to access it. I have done this in NZ so hopefully will give us all the info that we can possibly get. Hope this might help. But it might not be up to 1881.

stmt. resp.: compiled and written by Harold J. Faulkner
authors: Faulkner, Harold J (Main Author)
format: Books/Monographs/With Fiche
language: English
publications: [England?] : H.J. Faulkner, c2000
physical: 56 p., [21] leaves (some folded), 3 microfiches
subject class: 929.242 F825

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Notes
David Faulkner (1845-1887) was born in Eaton Bray and married Catherine Fountain (1848-1900) in 1867. Fountain ancestry is traced to John Fountain (1671-1717) who married Elizabeth Cooke (died 1732). John was born in Mentmore and was married and buried in Totternhoe. Also includes information on the Fountains of Slapton, Stoke Hammond, Cheddington, Edlesborough, and Aylesbury, Wing, Milton Keynes, Ivinghoe, some back to the 13th century. Faulkner ancestry is traced back to the 17th century.

Library has housed microfiche at the Access Services Window.

Subjects
Fountain
Faulkner


Copies
Call Number Location Availability
929.242 F825f FHL FAM HIST Book Available

Film Notes
Note Location Film
Appendices, sources, parish registers & deeds (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window 6394323  
Appendix wills with index (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window 6394324  
Pictures & illustrations, also census 1841, 51, 61, 71, 81 & 91 (1 fiche) FHL BRITISH Access Window

#882 Rob Burns, 6 April 2011, 08:32

Hello Christine,
Thank you for your huge amounts of information. I really appreciate it.

I will take a look at it closely in  a moment.

However, I fell I may have not explained things clearly as I do not think my grandfather was born a Fountain, but became linked through a 'syep' relationship.


The death certificate of his father in 1915 shows that he is a step brother of Arthur Fountain who is mentioned on the first post of this thread. Arthur's parents were James and Maria Fountain (publicans). Of course it may have been the wrong term and it should have been 'brother-in-law;, Mistakes did happen.


The step brother connection suggests that one of either Arthur's parents married one of Henry's parents after both of them were born.

So am trying to establish when this marriage took place and between whom.


The other mystery which could well lead to a solution is this marriage of a James Newman to a Florence Elizabeth Fountain. All records searches through FreeBMD and Censuses do not come up with anything.


I still am veering towards a connection to Arthur Fountain or his siblings somehow. Could this Florence Elizabeth be a sister to Arthur?

Thanks again for your help. I will post up any developments that I find.



#883 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 11:32


Hi Ron
Yes all very confusing.  Definitely Florence Elizabeth Fountain is sister to Arthur W Fountain and they are in Bucks in 1881 census.  And definitely Arthur is son of Maria and James Fountain same census (sorry for repetition but have to get facts right).  

I couldn't find as you couldn't marriage of Maria to a James Newman nor could I find her death on Familysearch.  But might look on another website which might yield it.  I would wonder if she had him illegitemately (as it did happen in the Fountains it seems) or she did live with this Mr Newman and had your Henry Fountain Newman but didn't register him (also happened).  They fiddled around with the names then too to hide things.  

Just looked at Ancestry.co.uk but nothing there will look another time.  My feeling is that he is illegitemate and the Fountain is after Maria - maybe Newman is the father but didn't support her. I am sure she ran the pub herself later on in Eaton Bray (thought I read that somewhere) and perhaps if you can find a later census she might show up.  
I'll keep looking later though.
Cheers and hope it solves your mystery.  When I get the book I mentioned I'll look that up as it just might mention something...

Christine

#884 Tom n Harry, 6 April 2011, 11:46

Hi Christine
Can you post the 1881 census showing Florence & Arthur in Bucks please.
Can't find them.

#885 Rob Burns, 6 April 2011, 12:31

Hi Christine, Think you may have turned up something significant here.
Is this the census you found?






1881 census transcription details for:  ?, Humbershoe
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11      Piece: 1647      Folio:  129      Page:  14        
     
Reg. District:   Luton   Sub District:   Dunstable
Parish:   Humbershoe   Enum. District:  
Ecclesiastical District:     City/Municipal Borough:  
Address:   ?, Humbershoe
County:   Bedfordshire
Name   Relation   Condition   Sex   Age   Birth
Year   Occupation ,
Disability   Where Born
FOUNTAIN, Eliza   Head   Widow    F   32   1849   Sewer Straw
 Flamstead
Hertfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Flora   Daughter   Single    F   9   1872   Scholar
 Markyate ST
Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Arthur Walter   Son   Single    M   4   1877   Scholar
 Markyate ST
Bedfordshire

#886 Rob Burns, 6 April 2011, 12:37

The 'fly in the ointment' is that they may not be the same Arthur Fountain who appears as 'step-brother' on the certificate?

However the illegitimacy thought is certainly feasible.

#888 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 19:27

Will check later it is 6.30 am in NZ right now and have to go to work so will post later.

Cheers
Christine

#889 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 20:05

Back again :

My feeling is that Maria had Henry Fountain Newman probably illegitemately or he may have called himself Fountain (middle name) to "fit in" to the family.  Hope this helps. Or he married Florence Fountain (nice way of rounding off the names if he was illegitemate).

First one is under Henry Fountain which shows an Florence E Fountain and Arthur W Fountain as brother and sister.


Henry FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Ag Labourer    
Ann FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   29   Slapton, Buckingham, England   Ag Labourer Wife    
Maryann FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Georgeina FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   4   Cheddington, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
Arthur W. FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   6   Horton, Buckingham, England   Scholar    
******Florence E. FOUNTAIN   Daur      Female   1   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3 m   Cheddington, Buckingham, England        
Ruth FOUNTAIN   Relative      Female   11   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Plaiter    

Second one is James and Maria Fountain which shows Arthur Fountain as their son all correct.
But no Henry/Harry Fountain Newman. Both census taken 1881 Familysearch.
This is James and Maria at 1881 Census:
James FOUNTAIN   Head   M   Male   30   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Publican & Labourer    
Maria FOUNTAIN   Wife   M   Female   30   Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England   Assistant To Head (Publican)    
Ezra FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   7   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Arthur FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   3   Dunstable, Bedford, England   Scholar    
Albert FOUNTAIN   Son      Male   18 m   Dunstable, Bedford, England   -    
James WEATHERHEAD   Wifes Brother   U   Male   17   Eaton Bray, Bedford, England   Straw Envelope Maker    

Under "Findmypast.co.uk" I did find the following:
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881

M
Marylebone
Middlesex
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881

M
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Household
FOUNTAIN, Henry
1881

M
Leighton Buzzard
Bedfordshire
You need to pay to view these.

Also under Newman: Might be worth investigating:
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
St George Hanover Square
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Poplar
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Lambeth
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
Chertsey
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
East Preston
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Hungerford
Berkshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
West Ham
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
Maldon
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Braintree
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Saffron Walden
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Smallburgh
Norfolk
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Melksham
Wiltshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Wimborne
Dorsetshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Wincanton
Somersetshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Gloucester
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Northleach
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
Birmingham
Warwickshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Birmingham
Warwickshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1881

M
Hull
Yorkshire (East riding)
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1879

M
Middlesbrough
Yorkshire (North riding)
Household
NEWMAN, Henry
1880

M
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry A
1880

M
Canterbury
Kent
Household
NEWMAN, Henry E
1881

M
Marylebone
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Earmes F
1879

M
Merthyr Tydfil
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry F
1880

M
Hambledon
Surrey
Household
NEWMAN, Henry F
1879

M
Merthyr Tydfil
Glamorganshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry G
1881

M
St Thomas
Devonshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry G
1879

M
Barton Regis
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry H
1879

M
St George Hanover Square
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1879

M
Royston
Hertfordshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1880

M
West Ham
Essex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1880

M
Barton Regis
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry J
1879

M
Chipping Sodbury
Gloucestershire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry N
1880

M
Bromley
Kent
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Nelson
1879

M
Hastings
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry Robert C
1881

M
Eton
Buckinghamshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henry S
1880

M
Mile End Old Town
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879

M
Fulham
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1881

M
Islington
Middlesex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879

M
East Preston
Sussex
Household
NEWMAN, Henry W
1879

M
Bishop Stortford
Hertfordshire
Household
NEWMAN, Henr

#890 Christine Andricksen, 6 April 2011, 22:11

Me again just checked again.  I know this is Fountain and not Newman but obviously Fountain has a meaning for this man.  Another thought, maybe Florence Fountain from the Fountain family had Henry Newman illegitemately?

This is another family in Eaton Bray which I found interesting because Henry aged 6 and his sister Roda Fountain aged 9 were stepchildren to the head of the household (1881 census).  Wife was Ann so I wonder how this relatonship occurred or whether Ann was previously a Fountain wife to somebody in Eaton Bray. Just to add to the confusion:::::Wonder who they belonged to? Birthdate for Henry is a bit out but it could have been recorded incorrectly.

 John BURNHAM 
 Head 
 M 
 Male 
 43 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Ann BURNHAM 
 Wife 
 M 
 Female 
 27 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Straw Plaiter 
  
 Hannah DYER 
 Boarder 
 U 
 Female 
 19 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Straw Plaiter 
  
 Walter BURNHAM 
 Son 
 U 
 Male 
 17 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Joseph BURNHAM 
 Son 
  
 Male 
 13 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 General Labr 
  
 Lydia BURNHAM 
 Daur 
  
 Female 
 9 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Roda FOUNTAIN 
 Step Daur 
  
 Female 
 9 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Ethred BURNHAM 
 Son 
  
 Male 
 6 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Henry FOUNTAIN 
 Step Son 
  
 Male 
 6 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
 Scholar 
  
 Flora BURNHAM 
 Daur 
  
 Female 
 1 
 Ivinghoe Aston, Buckingham, England 
  
  
 Rosa DYER 
 Niece 
  
 Female 
 2 m 
 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England 
  
  
Dwelling  
Bower Lane
Census Place
Eaton Bray, Bedford, England
Family History Library Film  
1341393
Public Records Office Reference  
RG11
Piece / Folio  
1645 / 69
Page Number  
24

#891 Rob Burns, 6 April 2011, 22:59

Christine, You have been superb with the amount of information you have presented.

Some of the Henry Fountains and Newmans I myself have found using findmypast.co.uk and other search sites. Saying that you have come up with a few I have not have found. So I am extremely grateful to you.

I am going off line now, but will pursue things tomorrow and report on any progress.

I have looked at the Burnham connection before. I established that Harry Fountain was born to Ann Fountain, and she re-married to John Burnham, hence Harry (or Henry) becoming a stepson.

Anyway, bedtime beckons for today


Rob

#892 Christine Andricksen, 7 April 2011, 05:57

Rob I saw your stuff on Genes Reunited and I think that maybe the answer and that it is the Burnhams that hold the key.  maybe not.  

Arthur and Elizabeth Fountain were siblings - Ann as widow of Frederick Fountain remarried to Burnham.  Somewhere inbetween that your Henry Newman was born. Sorry to state the obvious.  

Couldn't find anything under your Mother's name for marriage. Nor could I find anything obivous for Frederick Fountain so don't know about that either.  But keep looking as things have a habit of suddenly "appearing".  

Regards
Christine

#893 Rob Burns, 7 April 2011, 10:39

I think we can now discount the idea of a Florence Fountain marriage to James Newman. Although their names were on the registry office lists for that day, they married other people. Just a very strange coincidence.

Now delving to see this step-brother link with Arthur Fountain (1877/8).

#894 Christine Andricksen, 7 April 2011, 19:38

Great stuff Rob.  All the fountains in E/Bray seemed to live in the same street mostly so possibly they may have had 2 weddings (ie Florence and whoever) to save money perhaps???? Who knows.

The Fountaines and Fountains are all descended mainly from the Norfolk ones, the imports from France (Huegenots) were a different family who went to Devon and then onto USA.  Some did stay though.  May have been related back in France but I don't know about that bit.   Fountaines were with William the Conqueror 1066 and started from there.  Must have drifted south during the intervening years.

Hopefully you'll get a bit more info soon to sort out the mystery!

#934 Richard Fountain, 7 July 2011, 20:09

Hi Christine

Re: your posting #754 3 January 2011, 00:24

After seeing your posting I had a scan through the
Bucks marriage files and found a John Fountain m.
Phoebe Dimmock on 3rd May 1733 at Slapton, Bucks..
Is it possible that these are the ones who ended
up in Ellesborough?

I've managed to get back to William (b.c.1749) of
Ellesborough but can't seem to get back any further.

My line is:
My Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather,
William (b.c.1749) of Ellesborough m.
Mary Brandon (b.c.1749) of Buckland in abt 1767
children:
George (1769), William (1772), Joseph (1774),
Thomas (1777), John (1778), Mary (1781),
Sarah (1784) and Ann (1787).

I was also interested in the death sentence
that William received in 1818. It was for
Sheep Stealing.

#935 Christine Andricksen, 10 July 2011, 10:46

Thanks Richard for that.  Good to know what the crime was - was it he who was sent to Australia? There was one who was sent there in 1831 from Hertfordshire as well as the other one 1856 from the Old Bailey (stealing money from the Railway Company).  

Yes I've got right back to Thomas 1525 and can send you his photo plus other info if you want to give me your email address.  I think I have now found his parentage etc.  Your William was the brother of our John who married Mariah Philby.  Hi cousin!

I am wondering if your John b 1778 was the John who married Mary Tidd in India (fellow missionary) and had a son John who later also married in India but descendants later migrated to New Zealand?  John Snr died 1800.  He went with William Carey missionary to India.
Cheers
Christine

I have now gone right back and found all the French connection plus the connection to the Duke of Norfolk (Mowbray et al) and to the lot in France from Abbeville and Longpre plus others (de Fontaines)  They ended up marrying into the Balliol family, plus other nobility in England etc..  Have found the castle of the original family in Anthee Belgium which there is a photo on the internet of.  Fascinating!!!!  The link connecting to the Duke of Norfolk was Bernard Fountain in Stoke Hammond who mentioned in a document his cousin was the then D/N.

So I will now have to have a holiday in UK and France to see these places!!!

#936 Christine Andricksen, 10 July 2011, 10:48

Sorry Richard the two I mentioned were later dates so must have been another two that got sent off!  

#937 Richard Fountain, 11 July 2011, 20:06

Hi Christine

I've left you my email address through the personal contacts on the website. I looke forward to seeing the info you have on the Fountain family.

I don't think there is an Australian connection with William.
I got the information about the death sentence on Ancestry.co.uk.

If Williams parents were John and Phoebe (ne Dimmock)Fountain then at some point prior to William's birth John and Phoebe must have moved to Ellesborough.

Where is your connection to the Fountain family?

#938 Christine Andricksen, 12 July 2011, 05:11

Hi Richard: John and Phoebe did move to Ellesborough but also Aston clinton and had several children one of whom was William b 1744.  He married Elizabeth Brandon from Buckland. Here it gets confusing to say the least.  William's brother John b about 1776 or 1779 married Mariah Philby at Aston Clinton (they moved around alot in those days surprisingly).  They had several children one of whom was Thomas b 1819/1820  He married Harriet Turner (from Gloucester) and had William Carey Fountain and Thomas P Fountain (One in Gloucestershire and the other in London respectively).  William Carey Fountain married twice, 1st time
Emma Hawkes from Twyning and they had several children including my grandfather, Charles Guy Fountain.

William C F married again to mary ? and had further children about 14 in all.  The story went my grandfather Charles got so disgusted with all these children that he left home and left them to it.  I think there was probably more than that to it.  But I do think looking back at the early history they were trying to create a dynasty to keep up with the relatives!

Charles Guy Fountain married my grandmother Nellie Florence Carr from Bethnal Green 1915 and my mother, Irene Patricia Fountain was born in B/Green Plaistow area in 1921.  In 1926 they emigrated to NZ and mum married x 3 times (tiger for punishment).  My brother Phillip and I are of the first marriage hence the name Andricksen.  

I have found Johnathan William Fountain in Birmingham whose great grandfather was WCF, his grandfather was Ernest Fountain (also from the first marriage) and his father was William and had 2 other brothers Charlie and Ransome.  Ransome is still alive. I have been in contact with them.

I will ask E/Bray people to forward your email address or mine to you whichever is easier and then I can send on the stuff, very long and involved but everything I found I kept a record of.  So hope it makes sense.

Cheers
Christine

#1012 marion fountain, 2 October 2011, 11:54

Interesting reading.
Does anyone have any pointers to link the FOUNTAINs in East Anglia with this dynasty?
We have a link to Isle of Axholme and the draining of the Fens, familes moving down country to Thorney and Whittlesey, evidence not at all water tight and origins to France not conclusive. Then there are the Narford family in Norfolk which is not too far away from Whittlesey, do these link up anyplace?

#1014 pauline Leach, 5 October 2011, 16:50

Wow, I have been trying to look up My Father REGINALD FOUNTAINE for a long time,He married a Bessie Minnie Dedman, but am sure my Father was adopted into the Family of Fountaine's, I don't have any thing to go on, but the fact I know he was  Born Aug 1900/1 and died in 1970,reading about all the Fountain/e Family in Eaton Bray, I know he had relatives in Totternhoe too,I live in Leighton Buzzard so find reading this is so very interesting, I have to thank you Christine/Marion/Richard, If any of you find any info on and if my Father was adopted into the Fountaine Family would be appreciated.

#1015 Tom n Harry, 5 October 2011, 17:42

Hi Pauline..........
Found the marriage you mentioned but can't find Reginald in the 1911 census.Did he have a middle name as the closest to 1901 I can find is 1904 born Weston Turville , 1904 Watford and 1908 Dunstable.Also can't find a birth registration around 1901.

#1016 Tom n Harry, 5 October 2011, 20:05

Found Bessie in 1911 born c1903 Mentmore Bucks living at 1 Littledale Street Kempston Bedford...
Have you any idea of your Grandfather
Fountaines name?

#1019 pauline Leach, 6 October 2011, 17:25

ooh lovely for that Tom n Harry, well chuffed, as I didn't even know where my Mum was born either, or where she lived, I will ask about for my Grandfather, I believe he was a William too,as my Dad's sister was a Nellie who married a Jack Brandom and had a son Roland,and lived in Great Billington. I got so far on the Ancestry Site, but it got to paying for more info !!ooh I can't believe you got my Mum's info thank you so much.

#1020 Tom n Harry, 6 October 2011, 17:56

Did your dad have any brothers or sisters Pauline. If we can find them we may be able to find Reginald.

#1021 Tom n Harry, 6 October 2011, 18:16

Sorry Pauline..Imeant did he have any other brothers and sisters besides Nellie.
We do have membership on Ancestry and Genes so we should be able to find them with a bit more information..

#1022 Tom n Harry, 6 October 2011, 19:30

Pauline...On your last post you have written "HE WAS A WILLIAM TOO"....
Do you mean that Reginalds real name was William?

#1023 Tom n Harry, 6 October 2011, 20:13

Think I may have found him but need to check a few things first....
Do the names Frederick , Cyril and Leslie mean anything.

#1024 Tom n Harry, 7 October 2011, 18:50

Have the 1911 census living at The Coach & Horses Leighton Buzzard Beds………………………………......................

Fred K Fountain ,head, 44, married 10 years, Publican & Sand Pit Foreman born Buckinghamshire………………………………
Ellen Fountain , wife, 36 born Gloucestershire……………….
Regie Fountain , son,10.……………………………................
Fred K Fountain, son 8.……………………………..................
Cyril Fountain , son , 4.……………………………...................
Leslie Fountain , son ,3.……………………………...................
All boys born Leighton Buzzard Beds

#1025 Tom n Harry, 7 October 2011, 19:28

There is I think a twist in the tale. There is a marriage registered in September 1900 in Leighton Buzzard of Frederick Fountain to Ellen Wheeler. In the 1901 census they are living at Heath & Reach with children William age 9 and Alice age 7. As Ellen is down as age 22 at this time it looks like Frederick has been married before and all ready has children from his first wife. There is also another boy named William Wheeler  age 1 born Chepstow Monmouthshire Wales and down as son in law to Frederick. Ellen is born in South Gurney Gloucestereshire and Frederick in Dagnall Buckinghamshire and as on the 1911 census is a Sand Pit Foreman. Going from both census it looks like William Wheeler is Ellens child. Cant find any birth registration for Regie in 1901 so I think as Frederick had a child named William it could be that William Wheeler was adopted by Frederick and his name changed to Regie. Hope this makes sense

#1045 Christine Andricksen, 18 October 2011, 04:04

Marion Fountain 1012
Hi Marion, with your name you must be connected as we had a Marion in my grandfather's family - halfsister and also way back in the Bucks lot there was a Maryanne (Marian).  sounds as tho you could have come from the Norfolk lot.  The Narford Fountaines are the Norfolk lot which I do have a family tree for.  It seems we go right back to 1066 or previous wo the de Fontaines from Flanders and they were connected somehow (not found out exactly how) to the Counts of Pontheiu Abbeville branch.  Some were also pages, seneschals to the Kings and Duke William with the Battle of Hastings etc.etc.  I have found some in UK around this time some in Kent and Norfolk, and Suffolk but there is a 2-300 year gap between then and 1525 when we get thomas Fountain in Slapton Bucks.  Can't find who his father is.  There is a connection with the de Fontaines - Alleume's daughter Cecily (Mathilde) married Hugh de Balliol and their son and grandson became King of Scotland.  They were in Scotland, so it is very feasible with the defence of England in that time they were strategically placed all over the place.  Marrying them up is a problem though.  Our lot are not the Heugenot ones as they were in UK before that event.  The de Fontaines lot married into the Norman nobility, namely de Warenne, Roger de Bigod, the de Mowbray and FitzAlan families, the Warenne, Mowbray and Bigod families ended up as Duke of Norfolk and these were cousins to one Bernard Fountain Lord of the Manor in Stoke Hammond (found in a paper).  I have got back to a Roger de Fonteines in Carlton Limbrick Notts in 1204 when he sold land to William de Warenne so there are quite a few around.  Hope this helps.

#1046 Christine Andricksen, 18 October 2011, 04:08

Hi Marion again
East Anglia Isle of Axholme and the draining of the Fens, familes moving down country to Thorney and Whittlesey, are any of these places near Surrey, or Bucks?  Sorry I'm in New Zealand and don't know these areas!

#1047 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 19:01

#751
Constance Fountain is my mother, who married Edward Smithson Howard.
Connie as she is known was born
19/11/1909.she lived in harrow.arthur and sarah was her parents. i have a bit more imfo if you need
Many thanks Brenda

#1048 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 21:00

Hi Tom and Harry
May Fountain was my mothers sister, she never married. when the mother died, she had to look after the other kids. Constance was my mother name. if you need any more help, email me.
[email protected] #663

Brenda Howard

#1049 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 21:21

Arthur & sarah Fountain were my mothers parents

#1050 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 21:24

Arthur & sarah Fountain were my mothers parents

#1051 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 21:25

May Fountain was My mothers older sister, she never married, after the mother died she had to look after the kids

#1052 Brenda Bradford, 2 November 2011, 21:26

if you want to know anything email me at [email protected]

#1138 rosemary speirs, 5 February 2012, 01:04

This is for Christine Andrickson . I am related to William Fountain and Mary Brandon. I believe my relative, William junior, married Hannah Cook in Ash surrey. Their 2nd child, also William, married Edith Stickley and they emigrated to australia shortly after the death of the first child in 1874. My nana was the second last child born to that family in 1891. I live in Sydney australia. My mother has researched the family tree over many years and has always held the belief ( from her uncle) that there was a Huegunot connection. After communicating with Harold Faulkner I believe there is no such connection. mind you, I'm still on the lookout for more information.
i wish i'd come across this site a while back. i had given the family history a break for a while, but this has renewed my interest. looking forward to your reply

#1140 Christine Andricksen, 5 February 2012, 10:24

For #1138 rosemary speirs, 5 February 2012, 01:04

Thanks for your posting!  Yes, my cousin Richard also was told they were Heugenots, but it seems Thomas Founten/Fountain in Cheddington was born 1525 and the rest prior to that appear to be back to 1066 so that was well before the Heugenots came late 1500s and 1600s I think.  But they may well have been related.  I know there were Fountens/Fountains in Wing in the 1500s and prior to this all over the show, plus Norfolk where they seems to have migrated from.  Big family in the 1200s which don't seem to be completely related.  
Still trying to find back from Thomas Founten/Fountain 1525 Cheddington - his father was Thomas but need to find more info. There seems to be a gap of 100-200 years from info previously given so if anyone has any info on our Thomas above, would love to find it.
I did get John Founten who died in 1538 or something in Wing very hard to read but did relate to the Fountains all spelt differently in Wing at that time.  Lots of stuff in UK Archives but tying them all up is a nightmare!
Thanks for that info.  Yes I got the infor from Faulkner's book too.

Funny I lived in Sydney for 10 yrs wish I had known of you then! Interesting your branch went to Oz, wonder if that's why my Grandfather Charles Guy Fountain came to NZ? Checking out the relatives perhaps!

#1158 Margie Holtzapfel, 19 February 2012, 16:14

Fountains in America -- I am a descendant of Aaron Fountain who was the son of JOHN (I think) who came to America with his two brothers to New York City.  Aaron settled in Connecticut and had 12 children.  His birth date is abt 1660 and he married sisters Mary and Susannah Beebe. I have researched him and his descendants extensively, having over 19,000 people in my file. Does anyone there have any information on Aaron who came from Devon, England?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  
Thank you,
Margie.

#1159 Christine Andricksen, 21 February 2012, 08:47

There are quite a few websites of this family of Fountains - they were the Heugenot family from Jacquesas follows but there is more extensive info on the internet but I didn't keep this as it didn't relate to my family.  Hope this helps.
From the website at end.
The de la Fontaine name in my husband's family was changed to simply "Fontaine" after Jacques de la Fontaine (died 1633).
De la Fontaine is of French origin and is misspelled frequently as "Fontain" or "Fountain" here in America, especially in Georgia. In England it is sometimes spelled "Delafontaine". The Fontaine's left France to escape the religious persecution of the catholic church. Many of them fought and died because of their faith in Christ. These brave souls were seeking religious freedom from catholic tyranny and became known as French Huguenots. This brought about their ultimate immigration to America, via England and Ireland.

Please note: This is only a brief outline of some descendants. It's mostly a Direct Descent to my husband and is only meant to be informational in nature. For a more detailed webpage about the Fontaine's, with historical items included, please visit Bob Juch at www.juch.org/. Mr. Juch's webpage is the very well done, except that he has not included the Hudson info I gave him yet last I checked (2002).

Another excellent FONTAINE web site: Fontaine ~ by Louise Smith of Canada. Some information in french.

Some Descendants Of Jean de la Fontaine and Buyonne de Monthibault

1 Jean de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1297-1367 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1334-1443 in FRANCE  **15th great grandparent
....+Buyonne de Monthibault Born: WFT Est. 1303-1370 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1323-1399 in FRANCE  **15th great grandparent
..2 Guy de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1334-1396 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1371-1473 in FRANCE **14th great grandparent
......+Buyonne de Audigne Born: WFT Est. 1340-1399 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: in FRANCE  **14th great grandparente
...3 Jean de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1371-1425 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1409-1503 in FRANCE  **13th great grandparente
.........+[2] Guyonne Le Royer Born: WFT Est. 1500-1530 in FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1397-1458 in FRANCE  **13th great grandparent
.....4 [1] Arthur de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1409-1452 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE  **12th great grandparent
...........+Catherine de Souvre Born: WFT Est. 1416-1455
.....*2nd Wife of [1] Arthur de la Fontaine :
...........+Susanne de Gordon Born: WFT Est. 1404-1464 in FRANCE Died: in FRANCE Married: WFT Est. 1473-1520  **12th great grandparent
........5 Gilles de la Fontaine Born: WFT Est. 1449-1478 in FRANCE Died: WFT Est. 1503-1563 in FRANCE  **11th great grandparent
........+[--?--]  **11th great grandparent
........... 6 Jean de la Fontaine Born: 1500 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Religion: French Huguenot  **10th great grandparent
.................+[2] Guyonne Le Royer Born: WFT Est. 1500-1530 in FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Married: 1545 in FRANCE  **10th great grandparent
............. 7 (1st son) de la Fontaine Born: 1545 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE Died: 1563 in Maine Providence, Normandy, FRANCE
............. 7 Jacques de la Fontaine Born: 1549 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Died: 1633 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Religion: Protestant  **9th great grandparent
..................+[--?--]  **9th great grandparent
................8 (1st daughter) de la Fontaine Born: Bet. 1570 - 1640 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE
................8 Bouquet de la Fontaine Born: Bet. 1570 - 1640 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE
................8 [3] James Fontaine Born: 1603 in Rochelle, Poitou Providence, FRANCE Died: 1666 in Jenouille-Jaffe Estate, Veaux, FRANCE  **8th great grandparent
......................+Elizabeth Thompson Born: 1591 in London, ENGLAND Died: 1640 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Married: 1628 in London, Middlesex, ENGLAND
..................9 Jane Fontaine Born: 1628 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
........................+L'Hommeau Born: Bet. 1600 - 1640
..................9 Judith Fontaine Born: 1630 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
........................ +Guiennot Born: Bet. 1600 - 1650
..................9 James Fontaine Born: 1633 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Died: 1685
..................9 Elizabeth Fontaine Born: 1636 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE Died: in a shipwreck within sight of Boston Harbor (America)
........................ +Reverend Sauteau Born: Bet. 1600 - 1650 Died: in a shipwreck within sight of Boston Harbor (America)
..................9 Peter Fontaine Born: 1638 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE
..................9 Francis Fontaine Born: 1640 in Borough of Vaux, FRANCE

................*2nd Wife of [3] James Fontaine :
...................... +Marie Chaillon Born: 1615 in Rue

#1160 Jane Fountain, 22 February 2012, 04:11

Christine - Thank you so much for filling in the "American Fountains" on our French ancestry! This is a very big piece of the puzzle for us. Our direct line, through a Stephen Fountain, were loyal to England during the American Revolutionary War and emigrated to Canada as a consequence, so we have always presumed that were English through and through.  Many, many thanks. - Jane (cousin of Margie who wrote on our behalf)

#1161 Christine Andricksen, 23 February 2012, 21:23

For Jane:  re the Devon Fountains - I think they are quite detailed on the Devon Family History Centre (don't know now what the link is but you should be able to access it) they have more stuff there too.  

They were centred at Barnstable and other areas of Devon but not Ugborough or Bawcombe Devon, think this was a different lot of Fountains. Seemed to have been all over the place really. Glad to have helped.

#1188 Bobby Fountain, 22 April 2012, 20:54

I see alot of Fountain information on this site, I was wondering if any one had information on John Fountain of Abingdon,Berkshire England, a will dated 1711. His wife was named Margaret, In will He named a brother Roger died in Lyn Haven, Va. Roger's son Robert Fountain about 40 Years old. He named a sister Martha Fountain it seems she married a Woolhead.
I think there are 3 or 4 lines of Fountains in America.Does anyone have information on these Fountains, England to Lynnhaven Va. These went later to North Carolina, then to Georgia, to Alabama, to Texas? thanks for any information  

#1189 Bobby Fountain, 23 April 2012, 16:32

For Christine Andricksen: I posted a topic #1188, if you have time I wish you would look at it.
   Thanks Bobby Fountain
 

#1193 Christine Andricksen, 26 April 2012, 07:41

Topic 1189 Bobby Fountain
Had a bit of a look today and found the following think this is your lot but not sure.  I think they probably came from the Norfolk Fountaines but could have been from the Bucks ones.  
Familysearch.org  and ancestry.co.uk are good to search. Hope this helps.

He must have made good as he left land to the city!!!
bodley.ox.ac.uk/external/cumnor/wills-summaries.htm
Edward Cleeve
Overseers: Mr. John Fountain and my cousin Mr. John Payne, both of Abingdon.
Witn.: John Red, John Corderoy, Alice Corderoy.
Inventory appraised by Leonard Hawkins, Richard Vickers his mark, Michael Gardner
his mark, at £348, inc. farm and lands at Wootton.

genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Woburn/WoburnGaz1898K.html
WOBURN, a parish, a market and union town and head of a petty sessional division, on the borders of Bucks, on the road from Dunstable to Newport Pagnell, 15 miles south-west from Bedford, 42 from London, 3 south-east from the Woburn Sands station on the Bedford and Bletchley branch of the North Western railway and 7 north from Leighton Buzzard, in the Southern division of the county, hundred of Manshead, county court district of Leighton Buzzard, rural deanery of Fleete, archdeaconry of Bedford and diocese of Ely. John Fountain, of Abingdon, Berks, bequeathed in 1710 lands value £20 yearly for bread.




You need to go to Ancestry.co.uk and search of John Fountain Abingdon Bedford and then you will need to pay by credit card you can get 12 pounds worth which gives you a bit of leeway.

This one looks like the possible one as it is earlier and doesn't give a date. May not be tho.
ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/  - this is his death details parish records?db=lmaearlyparish&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=John&gsfn_x=1&gsln=Fountain&gsln_x=1&msydy=1711& msypn__ftp=Abingdon+Bedford+UK&cpxt=1&catBucket=rtp&uidh=db6&cp=11&gl=& gst=&hc=20&fh=60&fsk=BEEV6qQIgAAGWAAt3-47-M-61-

View Record


Margaret Wright
event type
mm year
city, London

John Fountain


Record


Margaret Catherine Linch
 
date
John William Chesser Fountain
parish


Familysearch.org

Can't get back further than this but probably relating to the Norfolk Fountaynes or the Buckinghamshire ones.  



John Fountayne of Sall about 1548 Berkshire – probably father of next one.

John Fountayne Battlesden bedford about 1562
Father: not detailed. Children:  Mary 1586, Francis 1590, Robert1592

Francis Fountayne:  24 April 1590 Battlesden Bedford
also same for 24 April 1590 at Milton Bryant Bedford
Father John Fountayne

Robert Fountaine:  
Father: Francis Fountaine
Christening 24 March 1633 Lidlington Bedford
Marriage:   Mary Bacon 13 March 1660 Lidlington Bedford


Familysearch.org  (under search:  Martha Fountain 1650  +/- 20 years england
Husband: Robert Fountaine
Wife: Mary Fountain
Children:  Martha
DOB: 20 Sept 1668 Lidlington Bedford UK

#1194 Christine Andricksen, 27 April 2012, 01:11

Hi Bobby, I see I put Bedford there but I did look up Berkshire and that also came up so perhaps he was born in Bedford and they moved to Berkshire.  Duke of Woburn was the big man there so perhaps he was involved in the estate there. Not sure. Will keep looking up a few more for you
Cheers
Christine

#1195 Christine Andricksen, 27 April 2012, 03:05

for Bobby Fountain again.
Found a little bit more but best to try Berkshire family history centre as below - should be able to find all the details there. Cheers christine
Familysearch.org

Father: Robert Fountain
Mother: Ann Land
Son: Roger Fountain b 1690 Princess Anne, Virginia




Berkshire Family History Society | Federation of Family History
The Berkshire Family History Society is working in partnership with findmypast.co
.uk offering quality data, including millions of parish records, much of it ...
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/ffhs/berkshire
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43252 My Note:  St Valery – refers to Bernard de Saint Valery (companion originally of william the conqueror.  His daughter Laurette (originally married to the Count of Pontheiu and repudiated) married Alleaume de fontaines from Abbeville France from whom the Fountains appear to have descended.  They were also living in Oxford under the name of de Fonte.  This relates to both the Norfolk and Buckinghamshire Fountain families.  The de St Valery families had honours of land in the area.
.
SOUTH MORETON
Mortune (xi cent.); Sudmorton (xiii cent.); South Morton, South Moorton (xiv–xvii cent.).
The parish extends southward from a height of 200 ft. on Down Hill above Long Wittenham, and is bounded on the south by the Moreton Mill Brook and its tributary Hakkas Brook. FULSCOT (Follescote, xi cent.; Foulescote, xiii–xiv cent.; Foghlescote, xv cent.; Fowlescotte, xvi–xviii cent.), held of the king before the Conquest by Lodric, a freeman, and valued at £2, had passed at the Survey to Roger son of Seifrid, its value being £4. (fn. 114) The overlordship was connected with the honour of Wallingford in 1300. (fn. 115) In 1428 the estate was held of Nicholas Carew of his manor of Purley (another member of the same honour) by service of one sparrow-hawk or payment of 2s. (fn. 116) The view of frankpledge for Fulscot in this and the next century was held at Ardington. (fn. 117) In 1550 the manor was held of the united honours of Wallingford and St. Valery, (fn. 118) afterwards the honour of Ewelme. (fn. 119) From its position adjacent to the manor held by Humfrey Visdelou at the Survey, (fn. 120) it seems probable that this was the knight's fee held of the honour of Wallingford by Walkelin Visdelou (Visus Lupi), probably son of Humfrey, in 1166, (fn. 121) and by another Humfrey Visdelou in 1228. (fn. 122) The manor is first named in 1312, when it was settled by William de Braybrooke on Payn Huskarl for life with remainder to his son Thomas and his wife Juliana. (fn. 123) It descended to Agnes Huscarl, (fn. 124) of whom it was held by William Stokes at his death in 1427. (fn. 125) He seems to have held it in right of his wife Maud, for it passed to her son Robert Brown. (fn. 126) It was sold by his son Thomas in 1455 to John Norreys, together with the manor of Adresham, (fn. 127) with which it continued to be held. (fn. 128) A moiety passed with Adresham to Richard Whistler, whose son Thomas severed Adresham (q.v.). The moiety of Fulscot descended to William Whistler, the son of Thomas, and from him it passed by fine in 1653 to Mary Fountayne, widow. (fn. 129) The other moiety passed with Adresham to the Braybrookes. From Richard Braybrooke it passed to his daughter Margaret wife of Humphrey Hyde of Wick, near Abingdon, (fn. 130) and it was sold in 1675 by her daughters to their tenant Richard Lewendon. (fn. 131) ….....

#1196 Bobby Fountain, 27 April 2012, 03:48

Christine Andricksen
  Thanks for giving me this information, I will see what I can do with it.

                 Thanks
                     Bobby

#1266 James Price, 24 July 2012, 21:27

Hi from an American Cousin. My Granny was Mabel Fountain. We connect through Rosemary Speirs' (Comment # 1138) line. She mentions William F and Hannah Cook of Ash Surrey, they were my 3-Great Grandparents. His dad was George F born at Buckland in 1772 a son of William and Mary Blandon. George moved the family to Ash and his son  William was the postmaster there in 1871, but seems to have committed suicide in 1872. His son Thomas Henry F born in 1848 was my ancestor, he led a pretty wild life until he died at 96 years old. His son Thomas Henry Jr (my Great-Grandfather) was banished to Canada after being convicted of embezzelment.

#1267 Christine Andricksen, 27 July 2012, 03:54

Hi James, that sounds absolutely fascinating - the Fountains seem to be quite a fiesty and wild lot at times, quite a few in UK also much the same.  One got sent to Australia.  If you look up the Old Bailey records on computer you can find interesting records there of several of them! Nice to hear from you, perhaps one day we can have a huge Fountain reunion in UK!!! That would be interesting!

#1268 rosemary speirs, 29 July 2012, 04:28

Hi James,
. It was wonderful to see your entry. Christine sent it to me. I haven't been on line for a while. I was wondering what information you have on your side of the family especially from the time they "moved" to Canada. I'm happy to give you more information on my side of the family if that is of interest to you.
I too would love to meet up with as many Fountains as possible in the UK. I was vaguely planning to visit there next year.

#1273 James Price, 7 August 2012, 20:57

This has rekindled my Fountain interest, it has been quite a while since I last visited the clan's story. So I went to the library to check the UK censuses. On another site I found this notation from the "Surrey Advertiser": Mr. Fountain, postman from Ash committed suicide on October 2, 1872. From the 1871 census I knew my ancestor William Fountain, born in 1815 was the postmaster of Ash Surrey. On the 1881 census, his wife Hannah (Cook) appears as a widow, so it was very likely him.
On the 1871, the Fountains have a large household, including Hannah's father, Thomas Cook age 75. On the 1861, William is an Innkeeper. My ancestor, William;s son, Thomas Henry Fountain born in 1848,  was a "barman" on the 1871 and by 1881 he is a "retired publican". Not bad for 32 years old. He lived on "his own means" in 1891 and 1901, going back to Retired publican in 1911, along the way he also has 3 different wives. What I wonder is what really happened? I see the second son William Jr. (from Rosemary Speirs' line) moving to Australia, I could not find him on 1871. Christine Andricksen's ancestor was William Sr.'s brother Thomas. My Thomas Henry (Senior, after the birth of my Great-Grandfather, Thomas Henry Jr. in 1874) is credited through family lore as to have made his fortune in pay toilets! I can not see where the money came from to begin with. I  left my e-mail on the visitor's page, I have the tree back into  the other lines, such as William Fountain Sr.'s mother, Ann  
Colyer

#1275 Christine Andricksen, 8 August 2012, 05:12

Hi James, would be interesting to see if your Thomas H was my great grandfather William Carey Fountain's brother.  

Their father Thomas b 1819 was married to harriet Turner (Gloucester). Father thomas' siblings were Ann, Sarah, Susannah, Henry, John, Mary and Elizabeth.  Their parents were John b 1776 m Mariah Philby in Aston Clinton Bucks.

Sounds very interesting all this info that's coming out.  We are all related somewhere back to Thomas 1525 and from there back the name appears to be different (see my previous replies).  They were very wealthy from the French side but obviously got lost along the generations except for some which appeared to retain some of the cash! Interesting how they went for the hotel trade, must have paid quite a bit of money then or else they liked their drink!!

Great to hear from you and anything else you can add is appreciated.
Regards
Christine Andricksen

#1277 James Price, 8 August 2012, 16:51

Sorry, I think I was off a few generations of William Fountains there. My Thomas Henry Sr.'s Grandfather, was George Fountain (born 1772 at Buckland, who married Ann Collier (Colyer)  at Ash Surrey in 1807). I believe he was your John's (b. 1776) brother. George's parents were William and Mary. I have old familysearch IGI records that say George's mother was Mary Blandon, Another IGI notes William Fountain "of Ellesborough" married Mary Blandon at Buckland on 8/15/1767. I can't find these records on the new familysearch website.  Aston Clinton, Buckland and Ellesborough are close together.
I would love to find the name of the hotel where my
William (born 1815) was the Innkeeper at Ash Surrey.
Thomas Henry(1848)<William<George<William F. + Mary Blandon<? John F. & Phoebe Dimmock<?

#1287 Christine Andricksen, 11 August 2012, 04:59

For James Price: Try the Greyhound, check with the Lyon Brewery and the Nightingale - found these on http://www.francisfrith.com/ash,surrey/memories/  and has some photos.

The Greyhound seems a good bet and you may be able to find something about that somewhere.   I have all the family tree back to 1525 so if you want me to forward this to you just ask for my email address. Cheers
Christine

#1288 Christine Andricksen, 11 August 2012, 05:04

For James Price again:  Yes it was the Greyhound found this good website as well which might be of good help to you.
http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/themes/places/surrey/guildford/ash

LOts of stuff there.

Cheers Christine

#1294 Christine Andricksen, 12 August 2012, 05:55

for James again
Try National Library possibly do different searches there.  but I also found this on Free BDM - possibly need to go to UK General Register Office (direct govt.uk) not sure of www address and they're the cheapest to order from. You must have all the details though I think all is down below:

Surname   Given Name   Age   District   Volume  Deaths Dec 1872

FOUNTAIN George 0 Farnham 2a 65

However the Greyhound seems to be the best best for Ash Surrey Inn hopefully that helps.
Cheers Christine

#1520 Rex Stevens, 5 December 2012, 21:17

For Christine please.

I have just seen the above correspondence about the Fountain family.  My great, great, great grandmother was Frances (or Fanny) Dubery, nee Fountain who was born in Buckland in 1770.  Can you please confirm, as I have read it in the above postings, that William Fountain (born 1744) was the brother of John Fountain (born 1776/9)who married Maria Philby? This seems to be too big an age difference but would be interested to hear what you say.  Thanks.

Rex  

#1521 Rex Stevens, 5 December 2012, 21:28

Also for Christine please.

In my last posting I forgot to ask whether you have been able to tie the father of Frances (or Fanny) Dubery, nee Fountain - John, who married Elizabeth Sanders in 1739 in Aston Clinton - with the main Fountain tree and, if so, to whom please?  I would be grateful to link him in if I can.  Thanks.

Rex  

#1525 Christine Andricksen, 12 December 2012, 20:37

replied to separately.  This Fanny was the daughter of John Fountain in Aylesbury line etc. he was born 1701 Buckland not able to find mother though but she had siblings JUohn 1763, Ann 764, Thomas 1774 and Wiliam 1777.

Fanny m William Dubery b8.7.1764 Buckland and they had Thomas 1791 (he died 1869 Aylesbury). Thomas married twice
firstly Elizabeth Rolfe (may be related to Thomas Fountain who married Mary Rolfe same area) b 1790 in Aston Clinton, children Charlotte 1809, William 8/2/1811, Dinah 13/10.1812, Fanny 3/9/1816, David 7/9/1819 and 'David 3/11/1821. all born aston clinton

Wife 2 Elizabeth Stratford b 26/10/1800 Aston Clinton witnesses William King and SolomonDewberry - children David 6/6/1824, Daniel Fountain Dubery 18/2/1829, Joseph 17/11/1833, Ann 17/8/1834, Thomas 23.67.1837, Fanny 13.5.1827 all aston clinton.

#1526 Christine Andricksen, 14 December 2012, 22:17

After further searching can't find Fanny's father, could be son of John of Aylesbury but we did find a John and Sarah Field m Jan 1765 Puttenham who could be the one but can't find who he belongs to, still searching.

#1548 Robin Fountain, 5 February 2013, 12:42

Hello. I hope this thread is still live! Im starting to look into my family history and so hope people may be able to share anything they have on the Fountain family - any spreadsheets mentioned here would be amazing. If this is possible, please could I politely ask you to email anything of interest to [email protected] And I am of course happy to share any info I have (which is not much at the moment!) Thanks in advance!

#1566 Christine Andricksen, 21 February 2013, 05:49

Hi Robin I will send you the family trees that I have from Harold Faulkner.  The Spiers and Price lines some of it is missing so I don't have that but the rest may help you.  Unfortunately I am in hospital for 4 weeks and don't have the info with me but I will send it to you then.
Cheers
Christine

#1646 Liz Pash (nee Fountain), 7 April 2013, 14:18

Fountain Family - Hi all!  I'm also descended from William Fountain who was licensee of the Greyhound Inn at Ash, Surrey.  I live in Sydney, Australia.  My dad was William Franklyn Fountain(1907-1999), youngest child of Frederick Fountain and Mary Elizabeth Huband.  Frederick came to Australia from England in 1879 as far as I know.  His parents were William Fountain/Hannah Cook; William was son of George & Ann Fountain.  
I've just recently started putting a family tree on Mundia (yes, I know about the unreliable 'hints') - would love to correspond and/or meet up with anyone in Sydney researching this family.
Regards,
Liz

#1649 Christine Andricksen, 8 April 2013, 04:25

Hi Liz
James Price and Rose Spiers are from this line you can see above detail.
Cheers
Christine

#1650 rosemary speirs, 8 April 2013, 05:45

Hi liz, my maternal grandmother was Eleanor Irene fountain before she married my grandfather, Robert Alcock
Eleonor lived in balmain her parents were William fountain and Edith Mary stickley. William was born in 1843 in ash SRY and married 1873 in Bedfordshire.  He managed hotels in balmain, and it appears he may have worked on board passenger ships at some stage.
You have my email address. I may be able to help you as I have a fairly detailed family history which I' happy to pass onto you.  My ph no is 98715920 ( Sydney). Rosemary speirs

#1652 Liz Pash (nee Fountain), 11 April 2013, 06:14

For James - I've finally worked out where you fit in in 'my' family! Your Thomas Henry Fountain b.1848 was the older bro of my grandfather Frederick b.1859.  Nice to make contact!  What continent are you on?
Cheers,
Liz

#1701 Ellen Edwards, 26 May 2013, 04:36

I am trying to locate any relatives of William Walden Fountain killed in the Stinson air crash in Australia. I think it was in the Lammington Ranges

#1910 James Price, 20 November 2013, 19:00

Hoping to find the e-mail# of Richard Fountain, who has commented on the Eaton Bray Forum at posting #937. I Would like to include him in a Fountain Family research group. My last posting was # 1277.
Thank you very much!

#1931 Cullem, 16 December 2013, 07:13

Hi All!

So I am a descendant of George Fountain and Ann Collier! Very exciting as I have pursued this line for 4 years... and means Moms side looks a little better off!

I would like to try link up all my cousins, so please if we are all related may I try link you into our family tree in Genoom. We have 30 people working on the tree, which at this point has 8400 profiles.

I am quite happy to put through the data if need be.

my email address is [email protected]

#1952 Nicholas Fountain, 6 February 2014, 17:22

Hi, I am currently attempting to trace my Fountain family history. My recent history is based in Markyate and Flamstead in Herts but I have traced it back to Hughenden, Bucks.
The furthest I have managed to trace is a James Fountain 1751-1834 approx. who lived in Hughenden and married a Hannah Chapman. I have the parish records but can not find any earlier reference to the Fountain family. It's a long shot but I wondered if anyone knows of any James Fountain of approx 1751-1834 that may have been in or near this locality.

Thanks,

Nick Fountain

#1953 Christine Andricksen, 7 February 2014, 21:27

Yes I do and I cansend you the family tree if you ask the E/B to send me your email address.  Your James was a brother to my John who married Mariah Philbey (it's taken me 3 years to find this after many misturns along the way) and theirfather was Matthew and mother Elizabeth Hummbles.
So you are related to me too.  We have a little circle of different cousins now we add to this list of information we send.  I live in NZ, some are in UK and others in Australia and America so it is quite fascinating.
Cheers
Christine

#1955 Christine Andricksen, 8 February 2014, 21:33

Just checked the James fountain I referred to was born in 1739 to Matthew and Elizabeth and lived in the Slapton area but they did move around.  Perhaps yours James is this James' son.  I haven't checked him out but should be easy to find from there.  I'd start with my James 1739 and see who he married and what children he had.  

#1956 Christine Andricksen, 8 February 2014, 21:48

Put you slightly wrong there, James was the brother of Matthew (m Elizabeth Humbles) not the son.  James' father was John and mother Phoebe Dimmock. They were from Slapton.  I found the following on familysearch.org which you may already have.  Obviously James must have moved to Hughenden for some reason ie work. He would have been 40 when he married Hannah. Can't find any trace of a previous marriage.  

father:  Jno Fountain    
mother:  Phaebe  
 
Name  James Fountain    
Gender  Male    
Christening Date  25 Nov 1739    
Christening Place  SLAPTON,BUCKINGHAM  
 
spouse:  Hannah Chapman    
Name  James Fountain    
Birth Date      
Birthplace      
Age      
Spouse's Name  Hannah Chapman    
Spouse's Birth Date      
Spouse's Birthplace      
Spouse's Age      
Event Date  01 Nov 1779    
Event Place  Hughenden,Buckingham  

Children:

 Mary Fountain  
 
Name  Mary Fountain    
Gender  Female    
Christening Date  29 Jul 1781    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  
 
spouse:  Anna (Hannah)    
child:  Daniel Fountain  
 
Name  Daniel Fountain    
Gender  Male    
Christening Date  16 Aug 1789    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  
 
Hannah    
child:  William Fountain  
 
Name  William Fountain    
Gender  Male    
Christening Date  20 Jun 1784    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  
 
 Hannah    
child:  Ann Fountain  
 
Name  Ann Fountain    
Gender  Female    
Christening Date  02 Mar 1788    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  
 
 Hannah    
child:  Elisabeth Fountain  
 
Name  Elisabeth Fountain    
Gender  Female    
Christening Date  27 Aug 1786    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  
 
spouse:  Anna    
child:  Richard Fountain  
 
Name  Richard Fountain    
Gender  Male    
Christening Date  25 Sep 1791    
Christening Place  HUGHENDEN,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND  



#1998 Elaine Fountain, 23 March 2014, 07:31

Hi Christine and everyone in this forum I hope you are able to help me as I have not been able to get any further than my great grandfathers name William Fountain Theatrical Manager for a number of years now.
My grandfathers name was Paul or John Paul Fountain Author born 25th March 1848/1850/ 1851. I have no idea what my Great grandmothers name was.
My grandfather passed away 21st Feb 1924 at Staines Middlesex he was married (2nd marriage) to Gertrude Alice Abbott.
First marriage was to Rosa and they had a daughter Lily who married a chap from India.
The children from the 2nd marriage were Jack, Thomas, George, Mabel,Betty, William,Eva and step daughter Gertrude. After my grandfather passed away the family came to NZ.
If anyone has any information at all I would be extremely grateful.

#2020 Christine Andricksen, 27 April 2014, 05:51

Hi Elaine managed only to find the following on familysearch.org which you probably already have.  May have to get Paul's death cert or marriage cert to get father's details.
Paul Fountain Fountain
1851 census Name Paul Fountain Age 30 Gender Male Birthplace Italy Relationship to Head of Household Lodger Schedule Type Hous
He may have been the real father and perhaps William adopted him or took him into his family.??

Possible marriages (1)Rosa Sharp SpouseJohn Fountain
Marriage 26 March 1871 St Luke Chelsea London
Other: Rose P Free

Second possible:
John Fountain marriage
Registration quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1875 Kensington London
Spouse name available after 1911
Volume 1A, Page 144A, Line Number 50

Marriage 2 England Marriages, 1538–1973
Paul Fountain
Birth  1848
Marriage: 18 August 1910 Cobham Surrey EnglAND
Father William Fountain
Spouse Gertrude Alice Abbott
Other: Willie James Abbott,  Margaret C Rye, Frederick L Wright

Possible other Paul Fountain:
Name Paul Fountain - Marriage
Registration quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1910 Epsom Surrey
Spouse name available after 1911
Volume 2A Pg 21 Line number 103

He may have had a son called Paul John - 1911 Census  son is noted as being aged 0 in Cobham Surrey.  ? died.
Then I found this.  But couldn't find him registered for birth etc. from Liecestershire.

Name Paul Fountain Event Type Census Event Date 1911 Gender Male Age 63 Birthplace Liecestershire Melton Morbury, Leicestershire Schedule Type Household Registration District Epsom Sub-District Leatherhead Parish Cobham County Surrey
Not sure if this is the same person.

I too live in NZ but currently will be in hospital for treatment for leukaemia so won't be able to help too much right now.  Suggest you also look on ancestry.com and see if there are any family trees etc. might help.  

Cheers
Christine

#2034 David, 13 May 2014, 17:04

Christine Andricksen,

I found out about my connection to the Fontaine family through a 23 and me DNA test. I have been doing research on the family. Your research matches what I have found on line concerning the Fontaines. I will share my research on line.

Here is a French Fontaine genealogy from the Middle ages. I found on line. Click on and view. You can also cut an paste into the address bar if the link does not work,

Aleume de Fontaine Genealogy
gw.geneanet.org/wailly?lang=en&p=aleaume&n=de+fontaines
eric.bailly2.free.fr/spip.php?article28
fabpedigree.com/s050/f400642.htm
Scroll down to Fontaines
fabpedigree.com/pedix/peix47.htm
www.castles.nl/eur/be/biv/biv.html

Map of Picardy during the Middle ages. Fontaines were vassals of the Ponthieus.

You will have to set up a Geni account to view. It is free.

Fontaines killed at the Battle of Agincourt in the 1400's.

Regards,
David

#2121 Heather Fountaine, 5 August 2014, 16:28

Fountaines in Buckinghamshire. I have information which may help any or all of you, including some parish records which appear to contain names / couples mentioned above. Three of my great uncles emigrated to Oz in the 1900's and a great uncles son (2nd cousein?) to Michigan. I am still in Buckinghamshire! Let me know if you think I can help.

#2141 Mary Morello, 29 August 2014, 22:43

I was interested in the queries as I was born a Fountain in Massachusetts, USA and that branch seems to be the only one in the New England.  My great grandfather was born in St Neots in 1817 and emigrated in the 1830's.  I have had no luck with finding his ancestors, just his father John and mother Elizabeth nee Abbot  (maybe).  Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

#2264 rosemary speirs, 22 March 2015, 08:14

To begin with I'm not sure all on this forum know that Christine lost her battle with cancer last year. I muss her lively and formative messages. I'm interested in Heather's post. I know about liz and my relatives in Ash, but not a lot about George fountain of Buckland who married Ann Collier from Surrey. That was the first generation to leave Buckinghamshire.  I believe George's siblings, Henry, William, John,Joseph, Thomas, Solomon, Mary & ann probably remained in Bucks. Any help would be appreciated

#2348 Debbie Edwards, 8 September 2015, 16:13

Any one related to any of these people?

ID: I053402
Name: John FOUNTAIN
Sex: M
Birth: 19 JUN 1761 in Mentmore, Bucks., England



Father: John FOUNTAIN b: 2 MAR 1729 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
Mother: Mary DOLLIMORE b: 1 AUG 1740 in Slapton, Bucks., England

Marriage 1 Elizabeth JANES

   Married: 28 JUN 1780 in Mentmore, Bucks., England

Children

   Has Children Charlotte FOUNTAIN b: 8 SEP 1780 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has No Children Maria FOUNTAIN b: 9 MAY 1782 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has Children John FOUNTAIN b: 28 JUL 1784 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has No Children Dinah FOUNTAIN b: 1785 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has No Children Sarah FOUNTAIN b: 24 SEP 1786 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has No Children Anne FOUNTAIN b: 18 MAY 1788 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has Children Mary FOUNTAIN b: 14 MAR 1790 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has Children William FOUNTAIN b: 16 MAR 1794 in Mentmore, Bucks., England
   Has Children Mark FOUNTAIN b: 14 AUG 1799 in Mentmore, Bucks., England

#3440 Winston J Rollins, 1 September 2016, 00:43

I would like to contact my cousin who asked for info about my family.
Her name Elaine Fountain #1998. My family and I left NZ. 37yrs ago we now live in Austlia

#3450 Bruce Leary, 19 September 2016, 22:23

Ref #2348
John Fountain/Mary Dollimore are my 5th great grandparents. However my line is through Maria Fountain who did have children - she married George Hopkins on 28 Jun 1780, at St Mary, Mentmore (Pallots Marriage Index). The 1840 Census document shows her widowed and living with her mother Elizabeth. Maria and George had at least 4 children, William, Eliza, Sarah and Betsey. William is my 3rd great grandfather.

#3468 Nolan-Amory Kington, 22 December 2016, 05:31

I have been trying to find information that verifies that Gilles de la Fontaine is Jean de la Fontaine's father.  I see this a lot online, but no one has yet provided sources I can turn to such as some kind of document, journals, or family history of any kind that may have been kept back then.  Are they both mentioned in any royal records?  I just want to verify the relationship and the existence of Gilles and the rest of the family tree circulating all over cyber space.  Thank you.

#3472 Heather Fountaine, 15 January 2017, 18:51

Dear Winston Rollins

I believe you must mean Elaine FountainE who I am in touch with. She is married to my second cousin - Steve - and I klnow her family are from NZ. How to pass on her info without making it open forum, I don't know. Try googling her in Townsville, Queensaland Australia. Good luck!

#3476 Robert Leslie Thompsett, 5 March 2017, 01:21

Seeking help on the following curious matter... Alice Gertrude Abbott had a child by a soldier called Daniel Patrick Power in 1908 - the same name as my grandfather.  A DNA match has now occurred with a descendent of Daniel Patrick Power.  Does anyone have ANY information regarding Danile Patrick Power or Alice Gertrude Abbott???

#3482 Pat Pond, 21 March 2017, 19:35

I have Fountain family in my tree. Stoke Hammond Bucks.

#3484 Evie, 29 March 2017, 09:13

We have an Orlando Fountain in our tree born 1824 married 1848 in Southwark to Frances New.He then called himself William.
Tried for many years to find a reference to Orlando any one help please?

#3485 Frances f, 13 April 2017, 08:56

Fountains

#3486 Frances f, 13 April 2017, 08:59

Has anyone any information on Frances Mew I know she married Orlando Fountain and died in 1850 in Uckfield.
Anything from 1841 when she was a servant in Maresfield to 1850 in Marylebone.

#3487 Frances f, 13 April 2017, 09:00

Has anyone any information on Frances Mew I know she married Orlando Fountain and died in 1850 in Uckfield.
Anything from 1841 when she was a servant in Maresfield to 1850 in Marylebone.

#3499 Winston J Rollins, 5 October 2017, 08:22

Robert Leslie Thompsett, my mothers name was Gertrude Abbott her mother was married to Power. my Gran then married Fountain when he died she married Wallace Williams Gran had 8 kids I think all have died now.

#3522 Shirley Birchler, 11 April 2018, 23:21

Does anyone know off Pat Fountain who lived in  Eaton Bray in the High St, opposite the old School around 1954 -1966

#3532 Madeleine, 24 June 2018, 09:15

Looking for a Hannah Fountain who apparently worked at or near Hampton Court sometime in early-mid 1800s. Had a son named Charles who moved to NZ, his son is my great great grandfather

#3604 Rex Stevens, 29 October 2019, 08:44

Frances (Fanny) Fountain (Aston Clinton).  Many years since I looked at this site.  I am directly descended from this lady who married William Dubery in Aston Clinton.  Corresponded with Christine Andricksen over a long period up until her sad death.  We were attempting to find the link between the Aston Clinton Fountains and the Eaton Bray/Edlesborough Fountiains.  Unsure after all his time whether this was in fact achieved so would be delighted if anyone has confirmation of this or more recent information about family connections/research, etc.,  Thanks.

#3668 Les Williams, 4 August 2021, 16:15

Fontaine Family.
Good afternoon.
Rev James Fontaine born 1603. Married Elisabeth Thompson 1628 London England. Have you any Information on Elisabeth parents. Can you help. Regards. Les.

Reply to topic

All HTML, except <i>, <b>, <u> will require your topic to be moderated before it is publicly displayed.

Your Name:
Your Email Address:
 

Your Email Address will not be made public.
Topic Content:
On submission of your reply, a cookie may be stored on your local device as described in our Privacy Policy.
 

Return to topic list | Return to forum list

Please note that the views or comments expressed on this website (forum) are not necessarily those of the Parish Council. The Webmaster reserves the right to remove any defamatory, derogatory or libellous statement or words from the site.